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Old 05-29-2014, 12:16 PM
 
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Who are these lots of folks in the black community? I would wager that you probably don't know many black people, let alone "lots" to make this determination. I've been black all my life and the only folks I hear spouting this nonsense are ex-cons on street corners (using pushing a Nation of Islam conversion). And even that's rare.
I used to work with black co-workers, about 50% white and 50% ard working, respectable black co-workers. I could depend on them and they could depend on me in our mutual goal to do a good job of serving our customers. Not one whiner. If I could, I would hire them in a split second because I know their work ethic and mentality.
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Old 05-29-2014, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Metro DC area
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At one time the Jews sold themselves as slaves because they were poor and had no way to make a living. It was not like today where one is able to walk into a business and ask for a job or get unemployment or welfare and food stamps.. One must think deeper to the full understanding of what slavery was.

Today many are slaves working for a dollar. Some work much harder at blue collar jobs and get paid little. One could have a good paying job and lose it and wind up poor and on welfare.

Many white people who owned slaves treated them like family. It depended on the slave owner. There were also black slave owners years ago.

America's first slave owner was a black man.

Actual drawing of Anthony Johnson, the first slave owner in the colonies.

According to colonial records, the first slave owner in the United States was a black man.
Prior to 1655 there were no legal slaves in the colonies, only indentured servants. All masters were required to free their servants after their time was up. Seven years was the limit that an indentured servant could be held. Upon their release they were granted 50 acres of land. This included any Negro purchased from slave traders. Negros were also granted 50 acres upon their release.
Anthony Johnson was a Negro from modern-day Angola. He was brought to the US to work on a tobacco farm in 1619. In 1622 he was almost killed when Powhatan Indians attacked the farm. 52 out of 57 people on the farm perished in the attack. He married a female black servant while working on the farm.
When Anthony was released he was legally recognized as a “free Negro” and ran a successful farm. In 1651 he held 250 acres and five black indentured servants. In 1654, it was time for Anthony to release John Casor, a black indentured servant. Instead Anthony told Casor he was extending his time. Casor left and became employed by the free white man Robert Parker.
Anthony Johnson sued Robert Parker in the Northampton Court in 1654. In 1655, the court ruled that Anthony Johnson could hold John Casor indefinitely. The court gave judicial sanction for blacks to own slave of their own race. Thus Casor became the first permanent slave and Johnson the first slave owner.
Whites still could not legally hold a black servant as an indefinite slave until 1670. In that year, the colonial assembly passed legislation permitting free whites, blacks, and Indians the right to own blacks as slaves.
By 1699, the number of free blacks prompted fears of a “Negro insurrection.” Virginia Colonial ordered the repatriation of freed blacks back to Africa. Many blacks sold themselves to white masters so they would not have to go to Africa. This was the first effort to gently repatriate free blacks back to Africa. The modern nations of Sierra Leone and Liberia both originated as colonies of repatriated former black slaves.
However, black slave owners continued to thrive in the United States.
By 1830 there were 3,775 black families living in the South who owned black slaves. By 1860 there were about 3,000 slaves owned by black households in the city of New Orleans alone.


America's first slave owner was a black man.
Your post seems to be minimizing the horrors of chattel slavery in the US. I find it distasteful.
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Old 05-29-2014, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Metro DC area
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Yea but you still rant on and on and on and on. I am happy to live in a nation where as a woman I have the opportunity to make my way in life, the history of woman's rights are not perfect but now it's was up to me. I could whine about the past or move on. Helpful tip, no one likes whiners and you will only attack like minded people, others, they will turn away.
Talking about the past does not equal whining. Have you never studied history in school? Did you run out of the class screaming and holding your head from all of the "whining" from your teachers?
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Old 05-29-2014, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Metro DC area
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Not that I disagree with you about how odious the institution of slavery was, but if you re-read this remark, I think you will find that it's racist.
What is racist about it? Africans were specifically chosen because of their ability to withstand the harsh conditions of working the land.
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Old 05-29-2014, 12:21 PM
 
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The fine is in the Obamacare law.

It was set back one year.
It was set back one year PAST the elections so he could hide it from the voters. If he is so proud and Obamacare is such a good thing you would think democrats wouldn't be so silent about it now and wouldn't push the fine past the election. But those of us who don't have eyes that are glazed over understand that this is a political move... he knows when the people who are not paying attention find out, they won't like it.

"if you like your healthcare you can keep your healthcare, period"
--- barack Obama

He lies to the voters and his supporters have no problem with it.
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Old 05-29-2014, 12:23 PM
 
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Talking about the past does not equal whining. Have you never studied history in school? Did you run out of the class screaming and holding your head from all of the "whining" from your teachers?
Whining is all we hear. Affirmative action because bla, bla, bla. Whaaat! You can't expect us to do what everyone else does and get a voter ID ! It's too hard. You whine you can't without help and special treatment. Yep that is whining.

Either you are capable or you are not. You can't have it both ways.
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Old 05-29-2014, 12:24 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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You don't create a document like the Declaration of Independence which specifically stated "We hold these truths be self evident, all men are created equal" and then turn around and justify slavery and racism because "That's all they knew" sorry, it just won't work.

The real story here is the Founding Fathers where just as much merchants, planters, lawyers and businessmen as they were politicians and patriots. Slavery was as vital to Northern bankers, ship builders, ship owners, ship captains, sailors, rum makers, insurance companies and other businesses as it was for Southern plantation owners.

For all the talk about freedom and equality the Founding Fathers struck a bargain based on economic prosperity and convenience to allow slavery to continue as they created the Constitution and formed a new nation.
Yeah, I think they knew it was wrong - and it DID bother some of them, but you are right in that economically it was difficult for them to give it up. For example, Washington owned slaves and gave them freedom in his will - but ONLY after Martha was passed on as well. His interest in Martha's economic well-being outweighed his guilt about doing something he KNEW was wrong (ie owning other people).

Still, I don't think you can entirely discount the "all they knew" defense entirely (from the "peer pressure" side of things at least). That was the society they were born into and slavery was simply a part of it. They just "went along with everyone else" (especially since it was financially beneficial for them to do so).

The upshot of all this is that while the Founding Fathers WERE Great Men, they were still products of their time, with much of the same typical thinking of other people of that day.

Ken
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Old 05-29-2014, 12:27 PM
 
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What is racist about it? Africans were specifically chosen because of their ability to withstand the harsh conditions of working the land.
In 1807 Britain outlawed slavery. In 1820 the king of the African kingdom of Ashanti inquired why the Christians did not want to trade slaves with him anymore, since they worshipped the same god as the Muslims and the Muslims were continuing the trade like before.

The civil rights movement of the 1960's have left many people with the belief that the slave trade was exclusively a European/USA phenomenon and only evil white people were to blame for it. This is a simplistic scenario that hardly reflects the facts.

The Origins of the Slave Trade

Know history.
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Old 05-29-2014, 12:28 PM
 
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What is racist about it? Africans were specifically chosen because of their ability to withstand the harsh conditions of working the land.
You are making a sweeping negative generalization about "whites", that's what's racist about it. Africans were chosen because Europeans and the Americans whose origins were European, believed that Africans were inferior. It's absolutely tragic that human beings have a history of thinking that others are inferior, and still do today. But I believe that in order to get away from that mindset we have to start from a place of mutual respect.
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Old 05-29-2014, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Metro DC area
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Whining is all we hear. We need affirmative action because bla, bla, bla. Whaaat! You can't expect us to do what everyone else does and get a voter ID ! It's too hard. You whine you can't without help and special treatment. Yep that is whining.

Either you are capable or you are not. You can't have it both ways.
Your post makes little sense. Whether you like it or not, affirmative action came about as a result of discrimination in the workplace. It still happens today. And for the most part, WHITE WOMEN are the main benefactors so don't demonize blacks for this policy.

As far as voter ID: that has more to do with poverty than it does race. But I, for one, don't agree with someone voting without a proper ID.

I think you might want to revisit what whining means.
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