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In my opinion, not a single one of the profile advocates are addressing the issue as it relates to the greater GOP philosophy of reducing/eliminating social safety nets.
Let me state this more clearly:
1. Conservatives such as Mike Pence want women to have more babies instead of aborting them as stated in the OP youtube video.
2. Conservatives want to defund/eliminate programs that help low income single mothers.
3. Conservatives want women not to abort and give the kid up for adoption if she can't afford to take care of her kid. This option is on the governments dime and contradicts with #2
Looking up adoption statistics, these kids live on the government dole for YEARS, a lot of times NEVER getting adopted
Now, can someone explain this to me? Is the GOP position that irresponsible women should be force to have kids and be forced to put them in foster care? The only social program the government should be funding is foster care? You can't have it both ways. When these kids come home, the government is going to be paying for it either way either with welfare benefits to the mother or foster care for the kid.
In my opinion, not a single one of the profile advocates are addressing the issue as it relates to the greater GOP philosophy of reducing/eliminating social safety nets.
Let me state this more clearly:
1. Conservatives such as Mike Pence want women to have more babies instead of aborting them as stated in the OP youtube video.
2. Conservatives want to defund/eliminate programs that help low income single mothers.
3. Conservatives want women not to abort and give the kid up for adoption if she can't afford to take care of her kid. This option is on the governments dime and contradicts with #2
Looking up adoption statistics, these kids live on the government dole for YEARS, a lot of times NEVER getting adopted
Now, can someone explain this to me? Is the GOP position that irresponsible women should be force to have kids and be forced to put them in foster care? The only social program the government should be funding is foster care? You can't have it both ways. When these kids come home, the government is going to be paying for it either way either with welfare benefits to the mother or foster care for the kid.
Can you explain to me how we, in a civilized society, should kill babies rather than have to pay money to support them? That's what this really comes down to. That, and women can't be expected to actually abstain from the behavior by which they then have the babies as a result (and the deadbeat men don't take responsibility).
Can you explain to me how we, in a civilized society, should kill babies rather than have to pay money to support them? That's what this really comes down to. That, and women can't be expected to actually abstain from the behavior by which they then have the babies as a result (and the deadbeat men don't take responsibility).
I have absolutely no problem with people who have the position of outlawing abortion AND support the welfare state. At least that is consistent.
I would rather the government force her to adopt the baby and then sterlize her until she get's married.
So another child in the foster program. Tax dollars are still paying for it. You do realize that getting married is not the solution. So she marries has a couple more kids, her husband leaves her, she's back on assistance.
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Originally Posted by nmnita
and I will say to you: do you have any idea how many couples would love to adopt but there are just too few babies available. That is why so many couples adopt kids from other countries.
Nita
Lack of babies is not the reason couples adopt from other countries. The adoption process in the US is a mess.
I dont totally disagree with sterilization, for both mother and father, or phasing out assistance, but if the government wants to cut programs for women and children they and the powers that be first need to address other issues and attitudes like the lack of sex education and education in general, access to BC and abortion (ins. wont pay for BC but will viagra), Doctors reluctance to perform tuba ligations, unemployment, etc.
First off, it's sense,...not since. Second, we want people to take responsibility for their choices and actions. Even as a teenager I knew I couldn't afford a baby so I always used a condom. They're cheap and easy to use. Combine condom use with female birth control makes it nearly 100% effective. Easy abortion enables bad choices and actions.
Here's the problem YOU can't make a man wear a condom. YOU can't make a woman use brith control pill. But YOU want to limit a woman's freedom to have an abortion. Then YOU don't want to pay the associated cost to feed, clothe, house or even educate that child.
The least YOU can do give a woman the option to have an abortion if she doesn't want to have a child.
And by YOU I mean people that are anti-abortion and want to cut social spending. If that doesn't mean you specfiically don't sweat it.
In my opinion, not a single one of the profile advocates are addressing the issue as it relates to the greater GOP philosophy of reducing/eliminating social safety nets.
Let me state this more clearly:
1. Conservatives such as Mike Pence want women to have more babies instead of aborting them as stated in the OP youtube video.
2. Conservatives want to defund/eliminate programs that help low income single mothers.
3. Conservatives want women not to abort and give the kid up for adoption if she can't afford to take care of her kid. This option is on the governments dime and contradicts with #2
Looking up adoption statistics, these kids live on the government dole for YEARS, a lot of times NEVER getting adopted
Now, can someone explain this to me? Is the GOP position that irresponsible women should be force to have kids and be forced to put them in foster care? The only social program the government should be funding is foster care? You can't have it both ways. When these kids come home, the government is going to be paying for it either way either with welfare benefits to the mother or foster care for the kid.
I can explain it but you won't accept the answers so why I am bothering, I don't know.
1-no Pence wants people to stop having unsafe sex and what he believes is just one viewpoint, not the view of all Repbulicans.
2-Can you give me an example of programs Republicans want to cut..what is it that libs do not understand about the money we, as a country do not have. Yes, some programs do need to be toned down and it is time that welfare moms learn a trade and get to work. Too many of them spend their lives on government assistance.
3-No, Conservatives are not saying give up your kid if you can't afford to keep it, well maybe they are saying that, but what most are saying: adoption is an option and one that is not used often enough.
4-there are kids who live in foster care for years, we raised foster kids, we know, but these are normally not the newly born babies. These are kids that 1-are never released for adoption or are older and of course harder to place.
I can explain it but you won't accept the answers so why I am bothering, I don't know.
1-no Pence wants people to stop having unsafe sex and what he believes is just one viewpoint, not the view of all Repbulicans.
2-Can you give me an example of programs Republicans want to cut..what is it that libs do not understand about the money we, as a country do not have. Yes, some programs do need to be toned down and it is time that welfare moms learn a trade and get to work. Too many of them spend their lives on government assistance.
3-No, Conservatives are not saying give up your kid if you can't afford to keep it, well maybe they are saying that, but what most are saying: adoption is an option and one that is not used often enough.
4-there are kids who live in foster care for years, we raised foster kids, we know, but these are normally not the newly born babies. These are kids that 1-are never released for adoption or are older and of course harder to place.
Nita
So you think that by defunding planned parenthood, the best way to get contraceptives out there, that Pence wants people to have safe sex?
He wants people to have less sex, or wait until they are married.
Standard Republican thing.
Remember, Pence put forward the amendment to cut funding to planned parenthood. Not just the small abortion part (I think 2% of their total budget), but their educational and birth control efforts as well.
So another child in the foster program. Tax dollars are still paying for it. You do realize that getting married is not the solution. So she marries has a couple more kids, her husband leaves her, she's back on assistance.
Lack of babies is not the reason couples adopt from other countries. The adoption process in the US is a mess.
I dont totally disagree with sterilization, for both mother and father, or phasing out assistance, but if the government wants to cut programs for women and children they and the powers that be first need to address other issues and attitudes like the lack of sex education and education in general, access to BC and abortion (ins. wont pay for BC but will viagra), Doctors reluctance to perform tuba ligations, unemployment, etc.
you are partially right, the adoption system isn't what it once was. We have 2 adopted children, but there are very few infants available because young women choose to keep their babies or abort. They rarely depend on adoption. When they do the cost is so astronomical it is often out of the question. We have a granddaughter who is thinking of adoption. I know what she is learning.
As for sex education, ask most kids, regardless of their background what they know, they know more at 10 than we did at 15. They choose not to use BC in too many cases. There will always be the young kids that think if I don't use birth constrol that means I didn't plan to have sex, so I am not so bad or I won't get pregnant, it just isn't going to happen. Kid rationalize in many ways, as we all know. As for adult women who end up with an unwanted pregnancy, that is something I will never understand.
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