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Old 03-31-2011, 03:13 PM
 
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ok, semantics. Their lungs are fully developed BEFORE birth for one thing, the second thing is, the breathing of the amniotic fluid helps develope the lungs. Do you think that lungs are not fully developed at time of birth? Do they all of a sudden just fully develope as the mother is pushing the child out? What stage are you talking about?
Almost all abortions are done in the first trimester. At that time the lungs cannot function. The fetus is not viable. It is not a baby.

It is ignorant to even argue about late-term abortions......because they are already strictly regulated and are only done to save the life of the mother or if the fetus is severely deformed.........you do know that.....don't you?
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Old 03-31-2011, 03:23 PM
 
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I don't believe I ever said, I don't know anyone who ever got pregnant while using birth control, I said it was very rare. My own granddaughter did, whe is a nurse and still forgot the pill doesn't always protect when you are on anti-biotics. I will go on to add, she and hubby were still getting their education and the last thing they wanted or needed was a baby. Now that darling baby is a 4 year old.

Nita
I think you said you dont understand how an adult can have and unwanted pregnancy. I assume unwanted and unplanned to be the same. I know plenty of women who had unplanned pregnancies and didnt want to have a child. Oddly enough, one was a nurses aid and didnt know ani-biotics negated the pill. Another was a nurse and didnt think she would get preg. while breast feeding. So even educated, married women in the medical field can accidentially get pregnant.
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Old 03-31-2011, 03:29 PM
 
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Yes it is breathing if it is close to term. You think living things don't start to breathe until they are born? They are breathing embryonic fluid, but are still breathing and getting oxygen that way.
A baby does not take it's first breath until it is born, it gets it's oxygen through it's umbilical cord via the Mom during pregnancy.

If it is close to term then it is not an abortion, it is a live birth. Despite the fact that conservative Christians would like for John Q public to think that late term abortions are routinely done, they are not they are only performed in extreme circumstances and if you think they are routinely done, then you are very naive.
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Old 03-31-2011, 03:31 PM
 
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Almost all abortions are done in the first trimester. At that time the lungs cannot function. The fetus is not viable. It is not a baby.

It is ignorant to even argue about late-term abortions......because they are already strictly regulated and are only done to save the life of the mother or if the fetus is severely deformed.........you do know that.....don't you?
I am amazed at the lack of information in regards to late term abortions, most people only know what the Pro-life crowd tells them, instead of researching it for themselves they rely on what someone else tells them.
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Old 03-31-2011, 03:37 PM
 
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Knowledge is awesome, we are talking about using PUBLIC money here.

FYI, send them over here then, a swift kick in the mid section ought to do it.
Please read the law about public money and abortions, the only way public money can be used to pay for an abortion is if the woman was raped, it is a case of incest or the mother's life is in danger. Geez people educate yourselves and quit believing everything you hear.
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Old 03-31-2011, 03:42 PM
 
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As we all know, even sterilization can fail. That is not a good reason to force a woman through pregnancy and childbirth when she does not even want a child.

And yes, not wanting to go through nine months of pregnancy and child birth is a good enough reason for a woman to abort. Get rid of the fetus.

If you force a woman to carry a pregnancy againt her will, do you think she is going to care about whether she eats properly, goes for check ups, takes vitamins, drinks alcohol, does drugs? NO. That forced "child" is going to be at a disadvantage before it is even born. Has anyone thought of that?

You cannot force someone to care.

A woman should NEVER be forced to carry a pregnancy against her will........even if their is a shortage of "babies" to adopt.
Failing to take precautions is not a good reason to force a taxpayer to pay for a pregnancy and child when they don't even care about that child.

If you force that taxpayer against their will, do you think they'll care about whether that child is fed, clothed, or taken care of? Has anyone thought of that?

You cannot force someone to care. But Libs want to force me to PAY.

A taxpayer should NEVER be forced to pay for a pregnancy and child against their will - even if the parent is underprivileged, poor or careless with regards to birth control.
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Old 03-31-2011, 03:46 PM
 
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ok, semantics. Their lungs are fully developed BEFORE birth for one thing, the second thing is, the breathing of the amniotic fluid helps develope the lungs. Do you think that lungs are not fully developed at time of birth? Do they all of a sudden just fully develope as the mother is pushing the child out? What stage are you talking about?
This is from the National Institute of Health

LUNGS AND CIRCULATORY SYSTEM
While the fetus is in the womb, it "breathes" by exchanging oxygen and carbon dioxide through the mother's circulation via the placenta. Most of the blood does not go through the developing baby's lungs. Instead, it travels through the heart and flows throughout the baby's body.
At birth, the baby's lungs are filled with amniotic fluid and are not inflated. The baby takes the first breath within about 10 seconds after delivery. It sounds like a gasp, as the newborn's central nervous system reacts to the sudden change in temperature and environment.

Once the umbilical cord is cut and the baby takes the first breath, a number of changes occur in the infant's lungs and circulatory system:
  • Increased oxygen in the lungs causes a decrease in blood flow resistance to the lungs.
  • Blood flow resistance of the baby's blood vessels also increases.
  • Amniotic fluid drains or is absorbed from the respiratory system.
  • The lungs inflate and begin working on their own, moving oxygen into the bloodstream and removing carbon dioxide by breathing out (exhalation).
Notice the bolded, that is when a baby takes it's first breath.
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Old 03-31-2011, 03:52 PM
 
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Failing to take precautions is not a good reason to force a taxpayer to pay for a pregnancy and child when they don't even care about that child.

If you force that taxpayer against their will, do you think they'll care about whether that child is fed, clothed, or taken care of? Has anyone thought of that?

You cannot force someone to care. But Libs want to force me to PAY.

A taxpayer should NEVER be forced to pay for a pregnancy and child against their will - even if the parent is underprivileged, poor or careless with regards to birth control.
Then why are you against abortion? You do not have to pay to raise a child for 18 years if it is aborted. It's win/win. The mother does not have a child she didn't want and you do not have to pay for that unwanted child.
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Old 03-31-2011, 03:52 PM
 
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I would be willing to bet if men got pregnant instead of women none of this would be an issue, not only would noone ever attempt to overturn Roe V Wade, abortions would be paid for with federal funds no matter the circumstance and insurance would pay for them no matter the circumstances.

Some of you act like an abortion is an easy thing, if you have never had one you have no clue, you act like women make this decision as if it were a piece of garbage they were throwing away, MOST (and please note there are exceptions to this), for most women this is one of the hardest decisions they will ever be put in a position to make.
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Old 03-31-2011, 03:57 PM
 
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I would be willing to bet if men got pregnant instead of women none of this would be an issue, not only would noone ever attempt to overturn Roe V Wade, abortions would be paid for with federal funds no matter the circumstance and insurance would pay for them no matter the circumstances.

Some of you act like an abortion is an easy thing, if you have never had one you have no clue, you act like women make this decision as if it were a piece of garbage they were throwing away, MOST (and please note there are exceptions to this), for most women this is one of the hardest decisions they will ever be put in a position to make.
You are 100% right about that. There is not a doubt about it.
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