WOW! How they are teaching Sex Education in Switzerland! (accuse, abuse, claim)

[Jaggy001]

Originally Posted by scarlet_ohara

Spain's teenage pregnancy rate is low?

Roman Catholicism dominates in Spain so how can that be?

Don't you know that religion is the number one cause of teen pregnancy in the US?

Western Europe is increasingly secular. Increasingly, only the aged go to church there.

[sportsgeek20]

HAHA!

funny thing is the "puritans" who think young people have too much sex here say it comes from american pop-culture. I guess the blames just keeps getting frown across the pond when you need someone to blame for sexual stuff.

Originally Posted by Jaggy001

Western Europe is increasingly secular. Increasingly, only the aged go to church there.

Yeah but there is no reason to go church anymore. As societies evolve religion becomes obsolete. sure, granma can go if she feels like it from some old habit from when everyone was forced to go, but what would be the reason for the rest of us?

If I lobbied for worshipping santa-claus you'd look pretty wierd at me. For me worshipping God or Jesus is equally silly.

Religion is a tool used for making groups of people submissive to codes of ethics, and set Ideals of life. A society that considers itself one of freedom should be free from oppression of mind and imposed ethics, this in turn means freedom from religion.

[sportsgeek20]

EDIT: this got completely off-topic sorry.

[scarlet_ohara]

Originally Posted by Jaggy001

Western Europe is increasingly secular. Increasingly, only the aged go to church there.

Spain still has a traditional approach to teenage pregnancy.

[scarlet_ohara]

Originally Posted by AnUnidentifiedMale

Oh grow up.

It seems like a lot of Americans prefer that we remain child-like forever. They actually favor arrested development in the area of sexuality. It all comes down to fear and insecurity.

Pity.

One would have to live in isolation to be unaware that sex is everywhere in the US today.

At the other end of the spectrum we have some people condoning the regressive act of setting up classrooms for children to masturbate and fondle each other.

Primitive.

[Jaggy001]

Originally Posted by scarlet_ohara

One would have to live in isolation to be unaware that sex is everywhere in the US today.

At the other end of the spectrum we have some people condoning the regressive act of setting up classrooms for children to masturbate and fondle each other.

Primitive.

Who is condoning it?

[hothulamaui]

Originally Posted by scarlet_ohara

One would have to live in isolation to be unaware that sex is everywhere in the US today.

At the other end of the spectrum we have some people condoning the regressive act of setting up classrooms for children to masturbate and fondle each other.

Primitive.

got a link? what school sets up classrooms for children to fondle each other and masturbate?

[BigJon3475]

The teen pregnancy rate indicator estimates the number of pregnancies (resulting in live births, stillbirths, and therapeutic abortions) per 1,000 females age 15 -19 years.

Teen Pregnancy (http://www.health.gov.on.ca/english/public/pub/pubhealth/init_report/tp.html - broken link)

Teenage birth rate: The number of births to women aged 15–19 years per 1,000 women aged 15–19 years.

Teen Pregnancy (http://www.health.gov.on.ca/english/public/pub/pubhealth/init_report/tp.html - broken link)

Find the definition that Norway uses.

or

Teenage moms, who account for about 10 percent of the nation's births, are not unique. The total number of births also has been dropping, as have birth rates among all women except those 40 and older.
For comparison look to the peak year of teen births - 1957. There were about 96 births per 1,000 teen girls that year, but it was a different era, when women married younger, said Stephanie Ventura, a co-author of the report issued by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The CDC births report is based on a review of most birth certificates for 2009.

US teen birth rate at all-time low, economy cited | KETK

...accept the fact that the two countries are entirely different from each other and families, and teenagers, have children when the times are good and don't when the times are bad.

It's also completely false that just because a mother is a teen that both lives are completely wrecked with no chance to make it. Many of the baby boomers were born to teen mothers and fathers.

[Roaddog]

Originally Posted by hothulamaui

got a link? what school sets up classrooms for children to fondle each other and masturbate?

She didn't say anyone was setting up classrooms she said people were condoning it, big differance and she's right.

[GuyNTexas]

Originally Posted by hothulamaui

insinuating that myself and other liberals are "extremist child predators" have "maniacal" ideas, "disgusting depravity of your own predatory agenda" " the degree of danger you represent" is a great example of your intolerance and inability to discern the written word.

I'm insinuating nothing ... let's be clear. I'm making a direct charge, not an insinuation. I don't care what you "say" or what you "write" ... it's not my reading comprehension at issue here ... it's your lack of credibility based on the actions you support that I choose to call a spade a spade.

Originally Posted by hothulamaui

I or none of my fellow liberals have ever suggested children learn about sexual activity that is not relevant to their age.

Oh really ... in that case, since you make such a blanket claim of support for every liberal agenda .. every form of sex education, and sexual freedom proposed by your fellow liberals, that must include promoting homosexuality to 2nd graders ... as well as support to NAMBLA ... that organization of self professed pedophiles who's primary mission is to lower the age of consent so that they can legally engage in the molestation of little boys. Didn't I already remark on how you liberals have far more in common with the so called conservative Catholic priests, than you care to admit?

Originally Posted by hothulamaui

it is not the 1950's anymore and children are entering puberty at 7 to ten years old, the reason for this is debatable but it is the facts. so yes, what the children of today are learning is something that the children of the 50's and 60's learned at a later age. this generation of children are are exposed to MTV, sexual advertisements, music, and all the rest. if you think ignoring what they see and not explaining it to them is the right way to go then I feel sorry for children parented by parents with their head in the sand.

And just who, pray tell, is behind this constant stream of perversion and moral depravity emanating from entertainment industry? Who is polluting the impressionable minds of our children with this garbage? LIBERALS .. that's who! How convenient .... you cite this assault on morality from entertainment side of the liberal progressive movement, then use that as justification for explaining it's harmlessness and natural diversity in the forum of public education? Depraved and devious, all at the same time.

Oh .... you're sooooo innocent ... soooo caring about the kids!!! Baloney. You liberals are corrupt to your very dark core ... that black hole located where everyone else's soul generally resides.

Let me show you liberal innocence in all it's unholy glory ... OK?

How about a little innocent pair of panties for little girl fans of Disney's Little Mermaid? "Dive in" ? How charming!! (insert vomiting smiley face here) (of course, anyone reading anything into this innocent decoration on little girls panties is just seeing something that isn't really there? Is that it? ) Who do you think you're going to fool here? This isn't a bathing suit which might be associated with a theme like "Dive in" ... this is children's underwear, and the inclusion of the graphic .. is .... rather graphic, don't you think?



And from the same source .... just a little innocent "subliminal" education from the caring liberals:


Purely coincidental .... it's not designed to look like the male member ... just a totally innocent coincidence.

Originally Posted by hothulamaui

at what age would you consider lifestyle and gender issues appropriate? children know at a very early age for the most part if they are homosexual or not. again you want to shield children because if they hear about this stuff it will influence them to act out?

Children who are not sexualized beginning at 1st grade don't even have such thoughts about sex ... let alone would they daydream about homosexuality (without your tutoring) ... and certainly not even consider their own sexual orientation. What a totally demented claim to make. But it is very revealing as to YOUR mindset.

Originally Posted by hothulamaui

children's real values are taught at home. there is no class that they could be exposed to that would "make" them do something that went against their core values.

No ... children's values are SUPPOSED to be taught at home ... but apparently, the liberal crowd doesn't agree with those values, which is why you want to reshape them in the public school system to your twisted views of "normal".

Originally Posted by hothulamaui

unless of course the value says you can never have junk food then they leave home and gorge on it. children also see in the real world diverse groups of people when they are out at the supermarket or elsewhere. should that chapter of human sexuality be left out of the story because some don't morally like it? let the kid be stupid?

you don't want condoms or birth control as part of the story because you think it encourages a natural behavior? you would rather for the children that do engage in sex before they should be uninformed and have unsafe sex just so you can protect a few children from the information?

It is not normal behavior for children to have sex ... it's illegal behavior to be discouraged in every manner possible ... from shielding those too young to even understand it .. to admonishing those who are to not engage in the activity. It may be a natural inclination for those coming "of age", as it is human nature to do ... but not an inclination to be rushed or encouraged prematurely, by overt and covert promotion in the schools.

And without that outside influence and encouragement ... that prodding ... that indoctrination ... little boys and girls will be focused on what little boys and girls have always focused on at young ages ... playing and having fun ... boys and their favorite past times, girls, theirs. NOT Gender identification and confusion ... not sex and orientation issues. Let them be damned kids for Christ sake!!

Originally Posted by hothulamaui

proper sex education at an appropriate age is the only way to go, covering the full range of human sexuality.

Proper? And we should take your definition of what "proper" is? You haven't a clue about what is proper, or age appropriate. That's obvious.