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The right are hilarious in this thread with all the lies they believe
The teachers in that state who have masters and grad school degrees make on average about 25k a year to start and the veteran teachers around 47K which is just national average wages. Those greedy union thugs
Now that you have quoted those numbers from the union how about telling us how much they get at retirement and how much they paid into the system to get that money. It is taking all the retirement money from taxpayers and so little from the union members that is causing the problem.
I think there may have been more Tea Partiers there than union thugs but surely the thugs chanted well, just like they practiced. There weren't many people there but sure not all of them were in on the chants.
No complaints but underskilled and grossly overpaid?
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
Or for those whose labor has little value, but want to be grossly overpaid at someone else's expense - and given benefits way beyond what their skillsets would normally earn them.
Hey thanks for that assessment of me. And it is a hugely over generalized one at that. I currently work for the State of California (Department of Health Care Services). I am there because I can combine my financial background with an interest in health care. I have worked around 30 years in the accounting field, with a few in private industry, a few in public accounting. I have a Bachelors of Science in Business Administration and am a CPA. With 20 plus years of experience, I make less than $80k, now getting three weeks of vacation (after 15 years of service). I have friends with the same skill set and relative experience. Bear in mind that it is a difficult comparison because our respective types of work are quite unique. Almost without exception, the ones in private industry all make 20 to 35% more than I do. Some even more than that. Good for them. If they can take the heat / risk, they deserve the pay.
I will get a pension...maybe...60% of my salary (average of the last three years) at age 55...maybe...
If I live 20 years past retirement (actuarials say I won't), I will earn an additional $900,000 in that time frame. If I averaged $65k for the 30 years I worked...that averages out at about $90k or so per year for 30 years. That is about the same as my private pay cohorts that average about $90 to $95k over 30 years.
So am I overpaid? Underqualified? Maybe. But Joe Public, who has no shortage of opinions on the matter, is not qualified to say so. He or she has no real idea of what I do or whether there are tangible benefits of my service. to make such blanket statements is a disservice to those who provide real and valued services.
I say this to the powers that be. Put a value on what I do and pay it to me...just like anywhere else. If you do not value the service I provide, then stop providing it and don't pay me. Period. Otherwise shut the f**k up! And quit comparing us, the oranges, to the apples of private industry.
The right are hilarious in this thread with all the lies they believe
The teachers in that state who have masters and grad school degrees make on average about 25k a year to start and the veteran teachers around 47K which is just national average wages. Those greedy union thugs
Hmmm... with all those 'graduate teaching degrees' why can't they educate even half the state's students to bare-minimum grade-level proficiency levels?
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
WI isn't that much better.
Let's look at WI's reported state test proficiency level vs. the NAEP* proficiency level (to see how honest WI is about providing an adequate education). Other states are listed, too: NAEP Researchcenter - NAEP and State Equivalent Percent Table
For each grade level, the first column lists the percentage of students scoring as proficient (meets or exceeds state standards) on the state test; the second column lists the percentage of students scoring as proficient on the NAEP (National Assessment).
* National Assessment of Educational Progress
Hmmm... only about 1/3 of WI students can meet even basic grade-level proficiency standards.
Most of those heavily 'degreed' teachers sure are doing a **** poor job.
Now that you have quoted those numbers from the union how about telling us how much they get at retirement and how much they paid into the system to get that money. It is taking all the retirement money from taxpayers and so little from the union members that is causing the problem.
Hey thanks for that assessment of me. And it is a hugely over generalized one at that. I currently work for the State of California (Department of Health Care Services). I am there because I can combine my financial background with an interest in health care. I have worked around 30 years in the accounting field, with a few in private industry, a few in public accounting. I have a Bachelors of Science in Business Administration and am a CPA. With 20 plus years of experience, I make less than $80k, now getting three weeks of vacation (after 15 years of service). I have friends with the same skill set and relative experience. Bear in mind that it is a difficult comparison because our respective types of work are quite unique. Almost without exception, the ones in private industry all make 20 to 35% more than I do. Some even more than that. Good for them. If they can take the heat / risk, they deserve the pay.
I will get a pension...maybe...60% of my salary (average of the last three years) at age 55...maybe...
If I live 20 years past retirement (actuarials say I won't), I will earn an additional $900,000 in that time frame. If I averaged $65k for the 30 years I worked...that averages out at about $90k or so per year for 30 years. That is about the same as my private pay cohorts that average about $90 to $95k over 30 years.
So am I overpaid? Underqualified? Maybe. But Joe Public, who has no shortage of opinions on the matter, is not qualified to say so. He or she has no real idea of what I do or whether there are tangible benefits of my service. to make such blanket statements is a disservice to those who provide real and valued services.
I say this to the powers that be. Put a value on what I do and pay it to me...just like anywhere else. If you do not value the service I provide, then stop providing it and don't pay me. Period. Otherwise shut the f**k up! And quit comparing us, the oranges, to the apples of private industry.
Mr. Floyd, if you do indeed work for the state of Cali. then you know as well as I do that there are people in your agency and the others as well that have floated to the top spots and are complete idiots who couldn't manage their way out of a damn paper bag. I work for the state of NJ and see it every single day, week after week, year after year. Some kiss azz weakling gets a promotion only to have to have ANOTHER person hired to do their job because they just can't do it. Be happy you're not one of those, I'm not either. I'm under paid, working OUT OF TITLE, have been for 6 1/2 years and our union says, "I know, they are F'd up, they do what they want".
Hmmm... with all those 'graduate teaching degrees' why can't they educate even half the state's students to bare-minimum grade-level proficiency levels?
Most of those heavily 'degreed' teachers sure are doing a **** poor job.
Lets get the opinions of educators as to the reasons for why passing rates are where they are. The rest of us who are not in the profession, or studying it, have no real ideas of our own as to the reasons for the state of education being where it is. So to avoid sounding stupid and closed minded, we ought to keep our opinions to a minimum.
I do a fair amount of reading on the subject and am married to an educator. Does this qualify me to assess education? Not really. But it does make me believe that putting all the blame on the teacher for the decline in American education is short sighted at best.
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No complaints but underskilled and grossly overpaid?
why can't they educate even half the state's students to bare-minimum grade-level proficiency levels? 
