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Old 07-12-2011, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Santa Barbara
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Marinol, a prescription drug which is a synthetic form of thc. It is indicate for the treatment of nausea and vomiting, and Anorexia associated with aids. There are currently studies under way to determine it's use in pain management in conjunction with opiates. After many years on the market there is no evidence that it has much use as a pain reliever. Pharma would like there to be, the pain market is much larger than the indications it has.
Of all the cancer patients I have known (and I met quite a few at the dispensaries) I have been told by all what they thought of Marinol. It barely helps. Most never would have even considered mj until they tried everything else and it didn't work. One couple at the prescribing doctor stood out. The wife had cancer and she was in her late 70's, early 80's. Her husband was perhaps a bit older. They were getting her a prescription since that is all she had left to try. She had never smoked weed before, seemed quite nervous being there, but if she got help, that is all that matters.

I worked with 2 police officers whose parents had cancer (one was pancreatic, the other, cannot remember) and they both took their parents to the dispensaries to get mj because Marinol didn't work. Why take something synthetic when the real thing is there, works, and is available everywhere?

I have a friend with Parkinsons who uses it to help her tremors. Her friend also has Parkinsons but much worse. He could barely speak they were so bad. He was against mj but she told him to try it once. He did, his tremors were nearly gone so he could easily speak, and nothing prescribed by his doctor worked as well. There may not be clinical studies but there are millions of anecdotal stories of its success.
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Old 07-12-2011, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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Marinol - There are currently studies under way to determine it's use in pain management in conjunction with opiates.
Why would anyone want to combine Marinol with opiates? One of the reasons to use marijuana is to keep away from the opiates.
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Old 07-12-2011, 06:01 PM
 
Location: NJ
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And you all want to trust them with Obamacare?

The breast cancer drug declared null and void too.

Yep, give them control of your healthcare.....vote for Obama in 2012 and see what happens......
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Old 07-12-2011, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Why would anyone want to combine Marinol with opiates? One of the reasons to use marijuana is to keep away from the opiates.
Because it is a weak analgesic by itself. Marijuana is not used to prevent opioid use.
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Old 07-12-2011, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Of all the cancer patients I have known (and I met quite a few at the dispensaries) I have been told by all what they thought of Marinol. It barely helps. Most never would have even considered mj until they tried everything else and it didn't work. One couple at the prescribing doctor stood out. The wife had cancer and she was in her late 70's, early 80's. Her husband was perhaps a bit older. They were getting her a prescription since that is all she had left to try. She had never smoked weed before, seemed quite nervous being there, but if she got help, that is all that matters.

I worked with 2 police officers whose parents had cancer (one was pancreatic, the other, cannot remember) and they both took their parents to the dispensaries to get mj because Marinol didn't work. Why take something synthetic when the real thing is there, works, and is available everywhere?

I have a friend with Parkinsons who uses it to help her tremors. Her friend also has Parkinsons but much worse. He could barely speak they were so bad. He was against mj but she told him to try it once. He did, his tremors were nearly gone so he could easily speak, and nothing prescribed by his doctor worked as well. There may not be clinical studies but there are millions of anecdotal stories of its success.

Medicine is practiced based on riverine evidence. Anecdotal evidence isn't helpful. I would want a physician treating me based upon his aunt mollies best friends, sister in laws experience.

Since synthetic and naturally occurring thc work on the same receptor sites there is no reason to believe the would have dramatically different effects.
There aren't millions of stories of success, that would fly in the face of all available clinical evidence.
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Old 07-12-2011, 06:51 PM
 
Location: The Brightest City On Earth
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It is simply not the business of the government if somebody smokes marijuana. Especially in the privacy of ones own dwelling. You should be able to consume it whether for a medical condition or not. As long as you are not harming others, your personal habits are your own business.
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Old 07-12-2011, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Currently I physically reside on the 3rd planet from the sun
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Medicine is practiced based on riverine evidence. Anecdotal evidence isn't helpful. I would want a physician treating me based upon his aunt mollies best friends, sister in laws experience.

Since synthetic and naturally occurring thc work on the same receptor sites there is no reason to believe the would have dramatically different effects.
There aren't millions of stories of success, that would fly in the face of all available clinical evidence.

Hmmm, it seems to me the way most modern medicine is practiced is to start cutting things up after something has seriously broke down.

I like to think of my body like my car and practice preventive maintenance.

As for homespun advice, when I was a little kid my Gramps told me the less potions, pills and needles I allowed people to put in me, the better off I would be in the long run.

I had three doctors tell me I had to go on blood pressure medicine in my late 30's. They didn't advise me, they told me. I joined a gym and after 6 months 5 days a week doing of all things, the step aerobics class I was back to 120 over 80.

I don't trust BigPharm. They have a pill for everything and usually a laundry list of very bad things that go with their pill. I absolutely believe in modern medicine and will go to a doctor when necessary but I also believe organics and natural remedies are valid.
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Old 07-12-2011, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Hmmm, it seems to me the way most modern medicine is practiced is to start cutting things up after something has seriously broke down.

I like to think of my body like my car and practice preventive maintenance.

As for homespun advice, when I was a little kid my Gramps told me the less potions, pills and needles I allowed people to put in me, the better off I would be in the long run.

I had three doctors tell me I had to go on blood pressure medicine in my late 30's. They didn't advise me, they told me. I joined a gym and after 6 months 5 days a week doing of all things, the step aerobics class I was back to 120 over 80.

I don't trust BigPharm. They have a pill for everything and usually a laundry list of very bad things that go with their pill. I absolutely believe in modern medicine and will go to a doctor when necessary but I also believe organics and natural remedies are valid.
You are entitled to believe anything you like. I think most folks prefer to get their medical information in a detailed scrutinized way based on experimental evidence. If you wish to deny the evidence that is your prerogative but bad things are likely to happen to you.


There is no question that medications have side effects. It is between you and your physician to determine if the risk/benefit analysis works for you. Most people would rather risk the side effects from antihypertensives than risk stroke or heart or vascular disease. I am happy lifestyle modification worked for you. Evidence shows it does not work for most people.

By the way you may want to hit the gym a little harder, the latest evidence shows optimal bp to be 115/75.
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Old 07-12-2011, 07:10 PM
 
Location: California
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It is simply not the business of the government if somebody smokes marijuana. Especially in the privacy of ones own dwelling. You should be able to consume it whether for a medical condition or not. As long as you are not harming others, your personal habits are your own business.
It boggles my mind that anyone would think otherwise.
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Old 07-12-2011, 07:26 PM
 
Location: The Brightest City On Earth
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It boggles my mind that anyone would think otherwise.
Unfortunately we have lots of people in this country that just cannot mind their own business and want to boss others around. Lots of these people are religious people who want to force their doctrine upon the general public. Others are liberals who want to force their political views on others. The government should not be used as an enforcement agency for personal behavior. It is not their business if people want to use marijuana, trade sex for money, drink, gamble, own a gun, get an abortion, look at pornography, buy incandescent light bulbs, drive a big SUV, engage in homosexuality or even polygamy for that matter. These are decisions adults should have the right to make for themselves.
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