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Old 07-24-2011, 05:39 PM
 
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i never said that fuhrman did not have racist tendencies, everyone has those, what i am saying is that he was wrongly portrayed as a racist cop.



yes you do have that right, but it is all in how you ask for the information. if you demand it, you are showing disrespect for the cop, and they are going to treat you in a similar manner. on the other hand if you politely ask for the information, then you are more likely to get the information you seek when you want it. the cop has to give you a reason for pulling you over anyway. he is going to ask you questions to see if you know why he might be pulling you over, let them do their investigation their way and be cool about it.



this is true, but when you take that anger out on the cop who is just doing their job, then you get the same lack of respect back. treat the LEO like you want to be treated and chances are you will have a more positive experience.
Sorry but Fuhrman was a racist cop. He had too many statements to the contrary. Anyway, he was convicted of perjury on that very topic.
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Old 07-24-2011, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Dublin, CA
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Try again. Penal Code section 647.
Again, try again. You cannot try or charge anyone with 647 PC. He may have said he would arrest you for 148 PC, delaying or resisting arrest, but not 647 PC. You really have no clue what you are are talking about.

And before you run your mouth off more, I am a California police officer; for 22 years.
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Old 07-24-2011, 06:46 PM
 
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I have done Security for residential and commercial. Believe me ...most people suck in these United States, and would not behave that way if I were in plain clothes, because I would kick their asses up the street ,and back down again, and if I had energy left, I would repeat the process.
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Old 07-24-2011, 06:47 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Again, try again. You cannot try or charge anyone with 647 PC. He may have said he would arrest you for 148 PC, delaying or resisting arrest, but not 647 PC. You really have no clue what you are are talking about.

And before you run your mouth off more, I am a California police officer; for 22 years.
And you are really evading the point. A cop will trump up some charge, likely wholly or almost wholly untrue to arrest you when the actual offense is annoying a cop.

Two quick and current examples involving videoing a cop in Las Vegas and Rochester, NY. The Las Vegas cop was removed from duty. The Rochester cop is still under investigation. In fact both cops would have gotten away with it except for the existence of the videos.

I think it is not uncommon for LEOs to behave in this way. Just most are not videoed. Las Vegas metro is resisting dash cameras. They really don't want it filmed. I wonder why?

I would think video taping and audio recorders at all times should be the order of the day. Keeps everybody honest.
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Old 07-24-2011, 06:52 PM
 
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And you are really evading the point. A cop will trump up some charge, likely wholly or almost wholly untrue to arrest you when the actual offense is annoying a cop.

Two quick and current examples involving videoing a cop in Las Vegas and Rochester, NY. The Las Vegas cop was removed from duty. The Rochester cop is still under investigation. In fact both cops would have gotten away with it except for the existence of the videos.

I think it is not uncommon for LEOs to behave in this way. Just most are not videoed. Las Vegas metro is resisting dash cameras. They really don't want it filmed. I wonder why?

I would think video taping and audio recorders at all times should be the order of the day. Keeps everybody honest.
I wonder as well, I have some cops who are friends, and they love dash cams and microphones. Considering how many bogus complaints they receive from the public, that video/audio recording usually shortens the investigation considerably.
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Old 07-24-2011, 06:55 PM
 
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I have some cops who are friends
Well now, that explains everything.
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Old 07-24-2011, 07:03 PM
 
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Again, try again. You cannot try or charge anyone with 647 PC. He may have said he would arrest you for 148 PC, delaying or resisting arrest, but not 647 PC. You really have no clue what you are are talking about.

And before you run your mouth off more, I am a California police officer; for 22 years.
No wonder you have a miserable attitude.

Police officers are not above the law, whether it's something as trivial as a traffic infraction or more serious things like Fuhrman.
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Old 07-24-2011, 07:27 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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I wonder as well, I have some cops who are friends, and they love dash cams and microphones. Considering how many bogus complaints they receive from the public, that video/audio recording usually shortens the investigation considerably.
I would certainly think so. It is cheap and easy to do and keeps everybody honest. Protect the good cops very well.

It is interesting though. Google the guy who got whacked for the empty holster in a Las Vegas Casino. Now he was clearly showing off and looking for trouble...and a lawyer to boot. But there is no real way the Metro cops can explain their behavior. Or check out the poker grump and his treatment at the Cannery in N Las Vegas. Again we have the cops acting as security forces for the Casinos. Not good. And I suspect a lot of this goes on in other places for other groups favored by the various police depts.

We now have the technology to keep a reasonable record of what happened...and we should do so.
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Old 07-24-2011, 07:39 PM
 
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I would certainly think so. It is cheap and easy to do and keeps everybody honest. Protect the good cops very well.

It is interesting though. Google the guy who got whacked for the empty holster in a Las Vegas Casino. Now he was clearly showing off and looking for trouble...and a lawyer to boot. But there is no real way the Metro cops can explain their behavior. Or check out the poker grump and his treatment at the Cannery in N Las Vegas. Again we have the cops acting as security forces for the Casinos. Not good. And I suspect a lot of this goes on in other places for other groups favored by the various police depts.

We now have the technology to keep a reasonable record of what happened...and we should do so.
Acting as security forces? What do you mean? That off duty police can do security while in uniform? That has struck me as odd.

Although, I know that in San Francisco, the city actually has rules that only off duty cops can do private security in certain circumstances, so... Perhaps the idea is to have someone with more training doing the job, who knows.
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Old 07-24-2011, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Currently I physically reside on the 3rd planet from the sun
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Again, try again. You cannot try or charge anyone with 647 PC. He may have said he would arrest you for 148 PC, delaying or resisting arrest, but not 647 PC. You really have no clue what you are are talking about.

And before you run your mouth off more, I am a California police officer; for 22 years.
If you're a cop you know a cop can pretty much arrest anybody for any reason and then say they attempted assault and/or were resisting arrest. They can charge them with anything, whether the charges stick or are dropped is another matter. Also when it comes down to the word of the cop vs. the word of the suspect who are the courts going to believe?

Why would an officer lie?

I would have believed that premise too, until being on the recieiving end of a liar behind a gun and a badge.

Yea, I lost my faith in the system and our domestic law enforcement at the same time. Suddenly all the people and stories you take with a grain of salt, you stop and go well, I'm not so sure anymore.

Then you start looking on the internet and seeing video of cops acting like schoolyard bullies, beating people down, slamming kids into walls - gunning citizens down in cold blood in broad daylight. SWAT teams banging down peoples doors and shooting em, 20, 30 times. Or dragging them out of their homes for delinquent school loans!!

What in Gods has happened to our country or has it always been like this and now the internet and technology just make it more visible?

When I was a kid I trusted cops. I was taught if you're in trouble look for a policemen or a firemen. That's not exactly what I teach my children today.
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