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Just so you know, your first cite is from 2008, and has nothing to add to the discussion about the 2011 negotiation. Your second cite simply is a re-wording of the original link.
The axle-company says that they didn't ask for workers to take a pay cut, and they did propose moving some of the production line from Mexico to Buffalo.
Unless you can tell us specifically what the union wanted and what concessions the company wanted, then I stand by my contention that the union did the workers a disservice. The union overestimated its leverage, and underestimated the company's willingness to close its doors. Now those workers will be joining the ranks of the unemployed.
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Originally Posted by Wayland Woman
The pay concessions agreed to three years ago does have something to do with the negotiations in 2011, but here's a link to an article from July 2011.
And it depends on who you believe---the company or the union---as to whether or not AA offered to bring back work they'd sent to Mexico or if they were negotiating to lower wages. The company never had an intentions of keeping the plant open--and that relates back to the contract 3 years ago when they were asking for pay cuts to $11.00 and the fact that lower trucks sales these past few year had left them with less work for that plant---they were not bargaining in good faith what so ever.
Unions really need to rethink their strategies going forward. Are they helping to create and preserve jobs or are they trying to keep themselves relevant.
Allowing the "Free Trade" really has been a devastating to the American economy as losing a major war. A steel mill scrapped because Korean steel is cheaper is just a destroyed as if it were bombed by terrorists. We need to wake up to the fact that our trading "partners" are our competitors and NOT our friends. They would be just as happy if we went away commercially so long as we paid for their defense against their enemies. Time to say Fair prices or you pay for your own defense.
We need FAIR Trade, not unfair trade that is robbing us of any semblance of previous prosperity. I would rather the Union workers, along with most of the rest of us, be the winners. The executives, stockholders and bankers have already stolen enough.
But you only want YOUR version of fair trade.
The US has a high COL compared to other countries.
Everyone globally can't be making what US unions make per hour.
As globalization takes hold third world countries will rise in their standard of living and wages while first world countries lower their standard of living. The only problem with that is that the cost of living in these first world countries is not getting lowered with salaries. The products we buy, use and eat are actually going up, not down.
And this isn't a union problem??? How is that? How can we compete in the world and still have the highest wages in the modern world? That whole thought process is a damn oxymoron!
Unions are a problem. But even without Unions, you can't be wage competitive in the US with the Indians and Chinese and still afford food and shelter here. The math just doesnt work...it's not even close. THAT'S the whole crux of the problem for us.
Wrong, ambient. There is a cost to ship stuff 8,000 miles, and JIt is not possible either. We still make tons of stuff, but more and more, its shifted to RTW.
These idiots will regret their vote 12 months from now, when 9 of 10 are unemployed still.
Wrong, ambient. There is a cost to ship stuff 8,000 miles, and JIt is not possible either. We still make tons of stuff, but more and more, its shifted to RTW.
These idiots will regret their vote 12 months from now, when 9 of 10 are unemployed still.
I can assure you as a person who does strategic financial planning for a large company that has shipped lots of labor into low-cost geos... the difference in pay per head is several orders of magnitude lower. And we are not unionized. We have to ship all over the world anyways regardless of where the work is actually done. Do some research on typical going rates in the last few years for outsourced manufacturing and IT labor in India and China...it will be eye opening.
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