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I find it extremely ironic that many people that support abortion now chastise fertility clinics for killing embryos.
Yes...I believe both embryos and the unborn are human life.
Funny, I find it extremely ironic that pro-lifers, who condemn killing the unborn.....turn a blind eye to what goes on in fertility clinics.
Never heard of a fertility clinic being bombed or a fertility doctor being murdered or pro-life advocates protesting outside of a fertility clinic.....even though they know full well that embryos are being created....only to be disposed of.
FYI.....pro choicers are not chastising fertility clinics....they are chastising the hypocracy of the pro-lifers that don't.
The anti-IVF activists are terribly ignorant of reproductive technology and don't understand that not all eggs or embryos are viable and have no ability to make a baby. Success is dependent upon overshooting to some extent. Making one embryo at a time and transferring one embryo at a time will often lead to repeated failure. The number of embryos to transfer in any given IVF cycle, in any given woman, requires medical expertise and the ability to judge a number of factors, number one being the quality of the embryos themselves, as well as the quality of the uterine environment as measured by certain criteria.
First of all, anti-IVF activists are not all ignorant of assisted reproductive technology (unless they are of the ultra-religious persuasion). Some are working to protect the health of women from an industry that is based purely on profit (think about egg donation for instance) and has not done enough long-term research. These reproductive technologies can be extremely harmful if misused and has in the past led to deaths, infertility, strokes. Anecdotally a lot of women in breast cancer support groups have undergone IVF or egg donations. Limiting numbers of embryos obtained in one cycle or implanted is common sense for medical safety reasons - even if you might want to get pregnant faster or save money by implanting more, there is an increased risk (medical ethics conflict).
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Originally Posted by another_hot-day
Most people donate them or freeze them. I serisouly doubt many unused embryos, of baby making quality, go in the 'disposal'.
No, they can also go to research or be sold for a hefty profit. Would the church condone that?
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IVF is just as intentional as abortion. When you do IVF.....you KNOW there are going to be embryos created ONLY to die.
If you ban abortion, IVF should be banned too. Can't have your cake and eat it too.
Finally some common sense. I am pro-abortion and I think people should have a choice to do IVF. But you cannot be creating these embryos while thinking that this is not intentionally destroying "life" as defined by the pro-lifers. If life is created at the time of conception, then you've created life as soon as the sperm and egg are combined. Then the zygote is allowed to replicate a few times - and sometimes a cell is plucked from the cell mass to test before selecting which ones to implant and which ones to destroy. Many are trashed, and a few high quality ones are implanted. Those that implant have significantly higher rates of being spontaneously aborted than what nature/God have intended.
If you believe this is okay with God, then the morning after pill (kills before implantation) and early-term abortions (high chance of failure anyways) should also be okay by the same token.
PP does more abortions than any place else. Some propose to use tax dollars to support them.
Fertility clinics are in the grey zone so far. No place else can do fertility research than fertility clinics. PP does well women checks and provides birth control but any family doctor can do that.
PP is the largest abortion provider in the US. Abortions are 2% of their services. PP earns this "honor" b/c they're large, they're everywhere. A gyn in private practice might do far more than 2% of his/her business in abortion, but "that's different".
PP is the largest abortion provider in the US. Abortions are 2% of their services. PP earns this "honor" b/c they're large, they're everywhere. A gyn in private practice might do far more than 2% of his/her business in abortion, but "that's different".
A private doctor will send women to an abortionist to have the abortion. Or to PP. Doctors who are religious or take a moral stand against abortion will just say they cannot help them.
My wife and I thought we'd have to do infertility treatments when we had our kids. We drew the line at that because we didn't want to be responsible for embryos that died, or for embryos that were destroyed when we got pregnant and didn't want any more.
If you were that concerned with the morality of the issue, why would you even consider artificial methods of pregnancy?
If God didn't want you to have children, wouldn't artificial means be against His will...?
A private doctor will send women to an abortionist to have the abortion. Or to PP. Doctors who are religious or take a moral stand against abortion will just say they cannot help them.
Many ob-gyns do abortions as part of their practice. Just what do you think an "abortionist" is?
Not many do it---1 in 7. They usually send the women to an abortionists.
Some are also "abortionists". You can't tell the difference.
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