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Old 09-24-2011, 10:41 AM
 
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Only core subjects need proficiency..NCLB.
Art and music are not core subjects.
That's why NCLB needs to go away. It places more emphasis on testing than on developing skills. and ignores the learning process. Kids are just memorizing to pass tests; they are not learning.

Music and art, I would be nowhere without them if a Teacher in my Elementary school didn't recognize my skills to do both.
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Old 09-24-2011, 01:14 PM
 
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I'm a teacher. I've been thinking of ways we could save money in the public school system. Just as a general overview, I would get rid of all art, gym, music, and technology teachers. Those teachers do things that regular classroom teachers should be doing. We should quit buying pencil, paper, and books, and everything else and just get every student a tablet pc. The savings would be huge.
Just out of curiosity, what grade/subject do you teach and how long have you been a teacher? Also, where do you teach?

I ask because I am a retired high school math teacher and I know that there was no way that I could have taught art or music.

Most "regular teachers," even today, are not expert enough in the applications of current technology to teach them to their students.
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Old 09-24-2011, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Only core subjects need proficiency..NCLB.
Art and music are not core subjects.
Well, yeah, but if you major in, say, chemistry, you can't also major in music. Now you might say, "oh,yes you can double major", but it's hard enough to major in either one of those, let alone together.
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Old 09-24-2011, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Well, yeah, but if you major in, say, chemistry, you can't also major in music. Now you might say, "oh,yes you can double major", but it's hard enough to major in either one of those, let alone together.
Core subjects require majors. Non core subjects don't.
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Old 09-24-2011, 04:04 PM
 
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Core subjects require majors. Non core subjects don't.
Most music teachers I have known at the high school level have music/music ed degrees. Why would you want a music teacher who didn't know anything about music?
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Old 09-24-2011, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Most music teachers I have known at the high school level have music/music ed degrees.
The topic went to not hiring teachers with music/art degrees and let those classes be taught by non majors in those fields.
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Old 09-24-2011, 04:21 PM
 
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High time States could out of ObamaCare too.
When is he going to support that?
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Old 09-24-2011, 04:25 PM
 
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We now have standards where kids have to pass a test to graduate. It is a good indication that they were getting an education in public school if they can pass.
Was this part of the Bush program? If so we have to keep it or replace it with the same thing.
The teachers UNION should have no right to pass along an uneducated student and to get a pass on educating kids.

I suspect this is Obama wanting to protect the Union teacher's base who pay him hundreds of millions and who cry all the time about not liking being held accountable. They have to be held accountable IMO.
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Old 09-24-2011, 04:27 PM
 
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You may be on to something there.
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Old 09-24-2011, 04:28 PM
 
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The topic went to not hiring teachers with music/art degrees and let those classes be taught by non majors in those fields.
Not exactly. One poster suggested getting rid of art and music teachers altogether, then waffled a bit about a music theory class or two.

Count me in the group that does not agree that music should, or even can be taught by someone who doesn't know squat about music.
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