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no it needs to be killed. There are no provisions in NCLB to take into consideration that children learn at different rates. That children who do not have support at home will do poorly than those who do. That some children are better test takers than others. That children are faster learners than others. That some have learning disabilities that often go unrecognized.
What NCLB does is says: these 5-6 year olds must learn all of this by the end of the year. If a majority of them don't pass, your school will not get funding. Oh and btw, we won't give you the supplies you need so that you are able to accomplish this.
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our kids child MEET A STANDARD, too many kids being given a diploma that cant read... it has to stop
That's what NCLB has done. Teachers and schools, who don't want to risk non-funding or penalties under NCLB pass children, who do not meet the standards.
NCLB hasn't helped to improve education. It has stifled it.
How does that help? Do you think some bureaucrat setting a standard in DC will somehow make kids meet it?
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nope not a bureaucrat..but an academic (the DOE should be a panel (of maybe 12) setting a standard) not politicians...not lobbiests..but real educators
but the FACT is we need a NATIONAL standard
and we NEED to enforce states to comply with the standard...they can even add to, but not take away from the standard
worst schools in the counrty mississippi...highest dropout rate-nevadaat 50%
50% dropout rate...that is horriible...we need to fix it...if its the teachers..fire them..force them to do their jobs..if its the parents..have them to be envolved with their kids...
killing NCLB will not fix the problem...tweek it yes..kill it NO
sure, let's opt out of actualy teaching kids......
NCLB is NEEDED because kids are being promoted without being able to perform.
Obama should be INCREASING and STRENGTHENING NCLB ....but liberals dont care about kids..only their union buddys
NCLB set an impossible standard: all students will achieve at or above grade level.
Every class I ever taught was composed of students of all ability levels and there were some who no matter how hard they and I worked, would never function at grade level.
NCLB is the perfect example of educrats determining policy without ever having stepped foot in a public school classroom.
Every class I ever taught was composed of students of all ability levels and there were some who no matter how hard they and I worked, would never function at grade level.
NCLB is the perfect example of educrats determining policy without ever having stepped foot in a public school classroom.
eactly. Just because a child is 12 years old, doesn't mean he/she is on equal learning curve as other 12 year olds. She/he may have a harder time with Reading and writing, but excels in math and science.
nope not a bureaucrat..but an academic (the DOE should be a panel (of maybe 12) setting a standard) not politicians...not lobbiests..but real educators
but the FACT is we need a NATIONAL standard
and we NEED to enforce states to comply with the standard...they can even add to, but not take away from the standard
Setting standards will not improve education. All it will do is... set standards. This encourages teachers to push children through the system and teach to the tests without regard for actual learning.
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worst schools in the counrty mississippi...highest dropout rate-nevadaat 50%
50% dropout rate...that is horriible...we need to fix it...if its the teachers..fire them..force them to do their jobs..if its the parents..have them to be envolved with their kids...
killing NCLB will not fix the problem...tweek it yes..kill it NO
How does NCLB improve these figures? Looks like it hasn't so far. And we don't need a federal standard in order to hold teachers accountable.
As I posted in another thread... NCLB in and of itself isn't the problem. The problem is educators' singular focus on equal educational outcomes. Under that ideology, the curriculum HAS to be dumbed down to a below average level by necessity. That's the point at which the majority of students can successfully achieve.
The dumbing down is really quite pervasive. The fact is that NONE of the states' public school systems educate even half of their students to basic grade-level proficiency.
Public school student achievement is actually much, much lower than most people think. Each state's education officials establish their own state standards, commission/construct their own tests, and set their own 'passing' scores. This has resulted in manipulations that make it look like public schools are educating our country's children, when in reality the majority of students in many states are far below acceptable levels of proficiency. In some cases, there's as much as a 70 percentage point difference in proficiency levels between NCLB achievement tests and the NAEP (National Assessment of Educational Progress) tests. Again, not one state listed in the chart below educates even half of their students to grade-level proficiency on the NAEP. And they're STILL having problems meeting NCLB requirements even with the severely dumbed down standards and curriculum. It's a race to the bottom.
If anyone wants to see their (or any other) state's reported proficiency level vs. the NAEP proficiency level (to see if their public schools are being honest about providing an adequate education), check here: NAEP Researchcenter - NAEP and State Equivalent Percent Table
For each grade level, the first column lists the percentage of students scoring as proficient (meets or exceeds state standards) on the state test; the second column lists the percentage of students scoring as proficient on the NAEP (National Assessment).
NCLB set an impossible standard: all students will achieve at or above grade level.
Every class I ever taught was composed of students of all ability levels and there were some who no matter how hard they and I worked, would never function at grade level.
NCLB is the perfect example of educrats determining policy without ever having stepped foot in a public school classroom.
and if they cant progress, or function, they should be held back or give a different option
nclb is not about an impossible standard..its about making our kids better
here in NY(long island, not upstate) , we are having no problems at all,,because we are lightyears higher standard than the hillbilly south to begin with..we have very few 'title1' schools...meanwhile most schools in the carolinas is a 'title1' (failing)(the entire county of roberson(nc) is title 1
meet the standard or find a different option...we have been dumbing down for too many years..we NEED NCLB..we need it EXPANDED...meet the standard or find another choice...time to step to the plate
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Where in the U.S. Constitution is the federal government empowered to do anything about education, a uniquely state power reserved to the states under the 10 Amendment? I say get rid of NCLB and the Education Department that spawned it.
Last I checked, the US Constitution provided for a framework for the federal government without going into all possible details of how to ensure the welfare of the nation.
NCLB set an impossible standard: all students will achieve at or above grade level.
Totally FALSE. The fact is that most students are actually functioning BELOW grade level because education standards have been set extremely low to accommodate educators' ideological goal of equal educational outcomes. See my earlier post.
and if they cant progress, or function, they should be held back or give a different option
Well there is no other option... thanks to NCLB. The kids pass or no funding.
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