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if this is the root of all our problems, then how to we fix this?
would this not be the one issue we can all agree on? and if so, how can we come together to fight this issue??
The only way we can come together is when we stop playing partisan politics. We need to all agree that the federal government IS the problem, and we need a whole less of it. The federal government has too much power, and they are abusing it with ease.
We need to elect politicians who care more about American values and principles, and less upon their reelection chances and campaign war chests.
I have been reading posts for awhile, from all sides, and one thing that stands out is those that support the status quo, that is, the crony capitalism we have going on in the country, will look at anyone that wants to change this arrangement is looked upon as a communist, a socialist, or a Marxist etc etc etc.
Their perfectly fine with the corruption and don't want to upset the status quo, especially, if they and their chums are doing quite well.
If the protests were all about ending the corruption, which It actually is, they would, and do spin it as communist.
I support those protesters that want to end this crony capitalism we have going on.
I want smaller government and I want Wall Street cockroaches and Mega Corps OUT of MY GOVERNMENT!
Is this to hard to understand?
This is not anti Wall Street or Anti Corporations as many try to make it out to be, this is me against the theft and criminal actions of those in BED with our government.
I work for a corporation and support them 100%
I don't support the big ones though that are in BED with our government though.
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The OP didn't ask if you think Obama is better or worse. He didn't ask if you think GWB got us into this mess.
He just asked if we can agree on this. "This" meaning "we need to get the money OUT of politics"
Yes, I agree, wholeheartedly. It's legalized bribery, and it needs to stop.
Who was that guy talking anyway? If I were a woman I'd have his children. THAT is who I want in office. Not some well-prepared robot like Obama.
I want a guy in office with a brain in his head, honesty in his heart, and the grapefruits in his pants to get the job done. THIS guy should run.
There is a way to get rid of these folks in congress. VOTE EM OUT. Actually I havn't seen one protestor sign saying that. I wonder why that is?
You can't vote them out as long as the source of funding still exists, because there will always be those corrupt people willing to step up and be their YES men.
Do you think it is right for the government to go after those that fund terrorists?
Why do they not only go after the terrorists and leave the propaganda makers and sources of funding alone?
Yes you can. And if the next group wants to "play ball" then vote their arse out next election. Why is that so hard to understand? Half these stooges have been in congress for years upon years.
That's why the way to fix it is a constitutional amendment. The Supreme Court's job is to interpret the constitution--not to just pull rulings out of their sleeves. When problems like this come up, we've amended it in the past--27 different times.
Congress could propose a constitutional amendment, if they were so inclined. However, nobody has ever proposed altering any of the original Bill of Rights and been elected to public office. I think you will find it more difficult than you realize to fundamentally change the First Amendment by restricting the right of the people.
As I said, the MSNBC talking head is an idiot. Money has always been part of politics, particularly in the US, and it always will be part of politics. Individuals can contribute directly to the candidate of their choice, or they can contribute to PACs that support their political ideology. Political contributions are a form of protected speech. If you have a problem with that I can recommend several other nations that do not have free speech.
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If money is free speech, then that means some have more free speech that others.
Sorry Charlie, This has to end so that everyone has equal say and every cockroach that is buying politicians can go straight to Hell.
A good solution would be that special interests cannot donate one red cent to the campaign process, and individual donations cannot exceed $1000 dollars a year.
If you do not like it, you can shove off to Somalia or some other hell hole.
If money is free speech, then that means some have more free speech that others.
Sorry Charlie, This has to end so that everyone has equal say and every cockroach that is buying politicians can go straight to Hell.
A good solution would be that special interests cannot donate one red cent to the campaign process, and individual donations cannot exceed $1000 dollars a year.
If you do not like it, you can shove off to Somalia or some other hell hole.
What makes you think anyone has an equal say, or should be entitled to an equal say? Is not someone with a bullhorn or a microphone and a PA system going to have more say than someone without? Is not someone in the media going to have more say than someone who is not in the media? There is no guarantee of equality with regard to our inherent rights, there is only a guarantee of equality with regard to the application of the law.
I already live in a nation that recognizes my inherent right to freely contribute to any politician or any PAC of my choice. I do not have to go anywhere. If you do not like the way things are, it is you who must either live with it or leave.
What makes you think anyone has an equal say, or should be entitled to an equal say? Is not someone with a bullhorn or a microphone and a PA system going to have more say than someone without? Is not someone in the media going to have more say than someone who is not in the media? There is no guarantee of equality with regard to our inherent rights, there is only a guarantee of equality with regard to the application of the law.
I already live in a nation that recognizes my inherent right to freely contribute to any politician or any PAC of my choice. I do not have to go anywhere. If you do not like the way things are, it is you who must either live with it or leave.
Wrong, we can, and will change it.
The idea that government is for sale to the highest bidder is no longer palatable to the people.
The revolution has begun and it will not end until change has occurred.
The politicians are already smelling the winds of change, and I would be willing to bet before this time next year there will be both a stronger movement, and the sacrifice of Wall St criminals on the alter of the elections.
The greedy have won too much, and now there is no way to change what must happen.
As Europe implodes, taking the world economy with it, America will continue to loose jobs and hope for a better future. This will feed more unrest and more interest in the reasons and people who caused the downfall.
The truth will spawn anger, and anger will spawn change.
Wrong, we can, and will change it.
The idea that government is for sale to the highest bidder is no longer palatable to the people.
The revolution has begun and it will not end until change has occurred.
The politicians are already smelling the winds of change, and I would be willing to bet before this time next year there will be both a stronger movement, and the sacrifice of Wall St criminals on the alter of the elections.
The greedy have won too much, and now there is no way to change what must happen. As Europe implodes, taking the world economy with it, America will continue to loose jobs and hope for a better future. This will feed more unrest and more interest in the reasons and people who caused the downfall.
The truth will spawn anger, and anger will spawn change.
Good luck with attempting to suppress the people's inherent right to free speech. If you accomplish it they will no doubt list your name among others who did the same thing, like Hitler, Stalin, and Mao.
Nobody has ever been stupid enough to think that altering the original Bill of Rights was a "good idea" ... until now.
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