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Old 11-06-2011, 09:08 AM
 
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I didn't say that.

I said that all of them were dual citizens at birth. In Kennedy's case, he was actually a triple.
Well, everyone knows that he was a citizen of the Vatican Nation, but what is the third?

"During John F. Kennedy's campaign for and brief tenure as U.S. President, some opponents questioned whether a Roman Catholic President of the United States had a divided loyalty with respect to the Papacy and Vatican City."

Dual loyalty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://geography.about.com/od/politi...cancountry.htm

Not Really A Citizen, Though.

 
Old 11-06-2011, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Well, everyone knows that he was a citizen of the Vatican Nation, but what is the third?
The Vatican is not one of the three. The three are US, Irish and French.
 
Old 11-06-2011, 09:39 AM
 
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Your "no" is purely an ejaculation of ignorance.

All of those presidents were dual citizens at birth.
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21 March 2011 Page 1
CITIZENSHIP STATUS of the PRESIDENTS OF USA
Eligibility under U.S. Constitution Article II Section 1Original Citizenship Grandfather Clause (GFC)or Natural Born Citizenship Clause (NBC) or were they Fraudsand Unconstitutionally and Illegally Seated as Presidentby: CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret), Lehigh Valley PA USAOriginally Compiled: 16 Feb 2009 -- Last Updated 21 Mar 2011http://www.protectourliberty.org
Note: For Natural Born Citizenship (NBC) clause status per natural law and the law of nations and relevant U.S.Supreme Court rulings such as Venus (1814), Minor v Happersett (1875), and Perkins v Elg (1939); it is not wherethe parents were born that is controlling but whether or not the both parents were Citizens of the United States(via birth or naturalization) at the time of the birth of their child in the USA. Both parents must be U.S. Citizenswhen their child is born in the USA for that child to be a “natural born Citizen” of the USA. It is important to notethat until recent times foreign born women gained naturalized status upon marrying a U.S. Citizen husband orupon the naturalization of the husband under the legal concept of citizenship fusion in a marriage. TheCitizenship of the wife was always legally fused to that of her husband until more recent times.
1.
George WASHINGTON – covered by Article II Grandfather Clause (GFC) -
was born on 22 Feb 1732 in VA.2.
John ADAMS – covered by Article II Grandfather Clause (GFC) -
was born on 30 Oct 1735 in MA.3.
Thomas JEFFERSON – covered by Article II Grandfather Clause (GFC) -
was born on 13 Apr 1743 in VA.4.
James MADISON – covered by Article II Grandfather Clause (GFC) -
was born on 16 Mar 1751 in VA.5.
James MONROE – covered by Article II Grandfather Clause (GFC) -
was born in 1758 in VA.6.
John Quincy ADAMS – covered by Article II Grandfather Clause (GFC)
- was born in 1767 in MA.7.
Andrew JACKSON – covered by Article II Grandfather Clause (GFC) -
was born in 1767 in Carolinas.8.
Martin VAN BUREN - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1782 in NY. This was the firstPresident qualified under the NBC clause. He was born in the USA to two Citizen parents. His parentswere original Citizens who gained their citizenship by adhering to the Revolution in 1776.9.
William Henry HARRISON – covered by Article II Grandfather Clause (GFC) -
was born in 1773 in VA.10.
John TYLER - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born
- was born in 1790 in VA.11.
James K. POLK - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1795 in NC.12.
Zachary TAYLOR - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1784 in VA.13.
Millard FILLMORE - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1800 in NY.14.
Franklin PIERCE - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1804 in NY.15.
James BUCHANAN - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1791 in PA. His father wasforeign born, Irish, but when James was born his father had already become a naturalized Citizen of theUnited States. Having a foreign born parent is OK if the foreign born parent has become a naturalizedCitizen of the U.S. prior to the child being born.16.
Abraham LINCOLN - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1809 in KY.17.
Andrew JOHNSON – Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1808 in NC.
Seated due toassassination of President Lincoln.




21 March 2011 PRESIDENTS OF USA - by: Charles Kerchner, Lehigh Valley PA Page 218.
Ulysses S. GRANT - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1822 in OH.19.
Rutherford B. HAYES - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1822 in OH.20.
James GARFIELD - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1831 in OH.21.
Chester A. ARTHUR - Not an NBC or original Citizen . He was NOT an Article II NBC since he was born before father's naturalization. Seated due to assassination of President Garfield. But based on the facts uncovered in later history, he was unconstitutionally seated due to the falsified nativity story and fraud byChester Arthur which was not fully discovered and proven until long after his death. He burned allhis early family records to cover up his lies and fraud.
He was born circa1829, allegedly in VT.22.
Grover CLEVELAND - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1837 in NJ.23.
Benjamin HARRISON - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1833 in OH.24.
Grover CLEVELAND - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1837 in NJ.25.
William MCKINLEY - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1843 in OH.26.
Theodore ROOSEVELT - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when born
- was born in 1858 in NY.
Seated due toassassination of President McKinley.
27.
William Howard TAFT - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1857 in OH.28.
Woodrow WILSON - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1856 in VA. His mother wasforeign born U.S. Citizen, English, but when he was born she had become a naturalized Citizen of theUnited States prior to his birth due to her marriage to Woodrow’s father, a U.S. Citizen. Having a foreignborn parent is OK if the foreign born parent has become a naturalized Citizen of the U.S. prior to the childbeing29.
Harden G. HARDING - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1865 in OH.30.
Calvin COOLIDGE - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1872 in VT.31.
Herbert HOOVER - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1874 in IA. His mother wasforeign born U.S. Citizen, a Canadian, but when he was born she had become a naturalized Citizen of theUnited States prior to his birth due to her marriage to Herbert’s father, a U.S. Citizen. Having a foreign born parent is OK if the foreign born parent has become a naturalized Citizen of the U.S. prior to the childbeing born.32.
Franklin D. ROOSEVELT - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1882 in NY.33.
Harry S. TRUMAN - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1884 in MO.34.
Dwight D. EISENHOWER - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1890 in TX.35.
John F. KENNEDY - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1917 in MA.36.
Lyndon B. JOHNSON - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when born -
was born in 1908 in TX.
Seated due to theassassination of President Kennedy.
37.
Richard M. NIXON - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1913 in CA.38.
Gerald R. FORD - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1913 in NE.39.
James CARTER - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1924 in GA.


21 March 2011 PRESIDENTS OF USA - by: Charles Kerchner, Lehigh Valley PA Page 340.
Ronald REAGAN - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1911 in IL.41.
George H. W. BUSH - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born
- was born in 1924 in MA.42.
William J. CLINTON - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1946 in AR.43.
George W. BUSH - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he was born -
was born in 1946 in CT.44.
(Putative President)

Barack Hussein OBAMA – Not an NBC. His father was a foreign national and was NOT a U.S.Citizen. Obama was seated due to FRAUD about his nativity story and the progressive corruption in the media of the legal meaning of NBC and the willful neglect of Congress. Obama’s father was a foreign national. His father was never a U.S. Citizen nor was Obama’s father even an immigrant to the USA or even a permanent resident in the USA. His father was only sojourning in the USA attending college and went back to Kenya after completing his education.
Obama claims he was born in 1961 allegedly in HI but his birth registration most likely was falsified by the maternal grandmother. No hospital record of his birth has been produced. No name of an attending physician, mid-wife, or paramedic called to the scene of a speculated home birth report exists. No independent witnesses to the claimed birthin Hawaii have ever been named or surfaced. No pre-natal care records exist in Hawaii for Obama’s mother. There is no record at all of his mother even being in Hawaii in August 1961, the alleged month of Obama’s alleged birth in Hawaii. A false registration of birth at home in HI with no witnesses would have generated the vital record in HI and also would have generated the two newspaper ads. Those ads were placed automatically by the state a result of all birth registrations – real or falsified. And to further contradict the Hawaiian birth nativity story of Obama, there are many accounts by Obama’s paternal family in Kenya, Kenyan government officials, and Kenyan and African newspapers that Obama really was born in the hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. No other President in history has had so many accounts attesting to his being foreign born and/or can provide NO contemporaneous birth witnesses or evidence to corroborate their claim to U.S. birth.45.
TO BE DETERMINED - Article II (NBC) both parents Citizens when he/she was born -
was born before 1975 in USA.


U.S. Presidents & Eligibility: Grandfather Clause, Natural Born Citizen Clause, or Seated by Fraud"
 
Old 11-06-2011, 10:33 AM
 
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Obama was seated due to FRAUD about his nativity story......

so the story is that obama's father wasn't a US citizen........ and kookoo komander kerchner doesn't believe that?
 
Old 11-06-2011, 10:40 AM
 
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so the story is that obama's father wasn't a US citizen........ and kookoo komander kerchner doesn't believe that?
Nah, GWB launched what is called the "stupidity plea".

If you don't know what you're doing is wrong, they can't prove intent.
 
Old 11-06-2011, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Kirchner's list doesn't even try to assess the dual citizenship status of Presidents. It's purely a catalog of parental US citizenship at birth.

I know Birthers have a tough time keeping their own arguments straight, but the "dual citizenship" and "two citizen parents" assertions are completely different arguments.

Tens of millions of American dual citizens were born to two citizen parents.
 
Old 11-06-2011, 11:53 AM
 
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Nice reference site, Ergo.

Thanks for posting!
 
Old 11-06-2011, 11:54 AM
 
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Nice reference site, Ergo.

Thanks for posting!
Hey, no problem!

Just trying to keep the thread informative.
 
Old 11-06-2011, 12:32 PM
 
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Oh? Here is what the Constitution itself says are its purposes and priorities:

Nope. No mention of distinguishing "rule of law from rule of king."

How did they miss it?
The object is to designate by a title the person and the relation he bears to the nation. For this purpose the words 'subject,' 'inhabitant,' and 'citizen' have been used, and the choice between them is sometimes made to depend upon the form of the government. Citizen is now more commonly employed, however, and as it has been considered better suited to the description of one living under a republican government, it was adopted by nearly all of the States upon their separation from Great Britain, and was afterwards adopted in the Articles of Confederation and in the Constitution of the United States. Minor v Happersett
 
Old 11-06-2011, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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The object is to designate by a title the person and the relation he bears to the nation. For this purpose the words 'subject,' 'inhabitant,' and 'citizen' have been used, and the choice between them is sometimes made to depend upon the form of the government. Citizen is now more commonly employed, however, and as it has been considered better suited to the description of one living under a republican government, it was adopted by nearly all of the States upon their separation from Great Britain, and was afterwards adopted in the Articles of Confederation and in the Constitution of the United States.

Minor v Happersett
They are referring to selection of a word. Not to the purposes or priorities of the Constitution.
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