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Old 11-23-2011, 06:06 PM
 
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If you weren't an Obama sock puppet, that's exactly what you would do. And then, when/if Romney failed to deliver on his campaign promises, you would throw him out.

But, we act acting under the hypothetical assumption, totally untrue in your case, that you are capable of objectivity in a national election.
Sir...what does Mitt Romney believe in today that he believed in a decade ago? He's changed his positions on damn near EVERY issue from the time he was the governor of Massachusetts.

You guys banged Kerry around for the same thing supposedly. So now you're gonna tell me as a progressive that i should now actually SWITCH parties for an election and vote for the same kind of guy?

That sh*t makes not a damn bit of sense.
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Old 11-23-2011, 06:07 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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What you're telling me is that you will not under any circumstances hold Oblama responsible. On the other hand, the eeeee-vil GOP is always responsible.

LOL, ya gotta love Obamalems.
Sure. I am not happy or in agreement with 100% of his decisions/policies but I believe in his vision for America.

If there was a GOP candidate who I believed would be better than President Obama they would receive my vote, but there is not.
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Old 11-23-2011, 06:08 PM
 
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Sir...what does Mitt Romney believe in today that he believed in a decade ago? He's changed his positions on damn near EVERY issue from the time he was the governor of Massachusetts.

You guys banged Kerry around for the same thing supposedly. So now you're gonna tell me as a progressive that i should now actually SWITCH parties for an election and vote for the same kind of guy?

That sh*t makes not a damn bit of sense.
So, you voted for Kerry but you won't vote for Romney? Too funny.

If Oblama had even a mediocre record I would understand your reluctance to change horses. But his first three years have been an unmitigated disaster. Period, end of story.
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Old 11-23-2011, 06:09 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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The Democrat brownshirts reported the owner of the business as a national security threat.
Link?
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Old 11-23-2011, 06:09 PM
 
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Sure. I am not happy or in agreement with 100% of his decisions/policies but I believe in his vision for America.

If there was a GOP candidate who I believed would be better than President Obama they would receive my vote, but there is not.
Fair enough. The bone I'm picking with you is that I don't see how that belief of yours squares with his record on the economy.

What would it take for you to run away from Oblama? 15% unemployment? 10% isn't enough?

P.S. What exactly is Obama's "vision for America"?
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Old 11-23-2011, 06:10 PM
 
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thats what trace doesnt understand. he only sees the R behind the name, but has no idea of what he did in mass.

when you are chained to a party like trace is, you lose any hope in there ability to grasp these things.
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Old 11-23-2011, 06:12 PM
 
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So, you voted for Kerry but you won't vote for Romney? Too funny.

If Oblama had even a mediocre record I would understand your reluctance to change horses. But his first three years have been an unmitigated disaster. Period, end of story.
No reasonable person thinks that Kerry's flip flops are anything close to Romneys....hell, even most UNREASONABLE people know that. Besides, at least Kerry proved his mettle in the Navy.

And if Kerry was a flip flopper, at least he was MY flip flopper...a progressive flip flopper. But i'm supposed to cross party lines to vote for a halfassed conservative flip flopper when his own party members think he's a skunk?

Again, you're making no sense.
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Old 11-23-2011, 06:14 PM
 
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thats what trace doesnt understand. he only sees the R behind the name, but has no idea of what he did in mass.

when you are chained to a party like trace is, you lose any hope in there ability to grasp these things.
I hate to break this to you, but I am not "chained" to the Republican party. I merely hate the Democrat party. There is a big difference.

For instance, if a viable third party candidate emerged to beat Obama (or any of the municipal Democrats here in Baltimore), I would cheerfully vote for them whether they were libertarians, greens, constitutionalists, or socialists.

Democrats are corrupt inherently. They believe in promising and delivering government services (paid for by the populace at large) to their pet constituencies in exchange for votes/their continued power.

To the extent anyone else does that, including Republicans, I oppose them as well.
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Old 11-23-2011, 06:17 PM
 
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No reasonable person thinks that Kerry's flip flops are anything close to Romneys....hell, even most UNREASONABLE people know that. Besides, at least Kerry proved his mettle in the Navy.

And if Kerry was a flip flopper, at least he was MY flip flopper...a progressive flip flopper. But i'm supposed to cross party lines to vote for a halfassed conservative flip flopper when his own party members think he's a skunk?

Again, you're making no sense.
It's not my job to convince you to vote for Romney or anyone else. That's their job.

The reason I'm talking to you on this thread is to point out to you and anyone else that Obama has not lived up to his own promises on the economy. For that, he does not deserve support in his next election.

Anyway, it's bar time. Have a happy thanksgiving.
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Old 11-23-2011, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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I hate to break this to you, but I am not "chained" to the Republican party. I merely hate the Democrat party. There is a big difference.

For instance, if a viable third party candidate emerged to beat Obama (or any of the municipal Democrats here in Baltimore), I would cheerfully vote for them whether they were libertarians, greens, constitutionalists, or socialists.

Democrats are corrupt inherently. They believe in promising and delivering government services (paid for by the populace at large) to their pet constituencies in exchange for votes/their continued power.

To the extent anyone else does that, including Republicans, I oppose them as well.
Well plenty of corruption on both sides of the aisle, but the Democrats at least WANT to run a decent government. The Republicans seem to only want to get power so they can rule as ineptly as humanly possible, then say that government doesn't work. The notion that we need no government is a libertarian fantasy. Always has been.

We need government, and we need legislators and executives who want to lead, that is why I cannot vote Republican. They only want to grab enough power to enrich a few and screw the rest.
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