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Sorry, but I can't commemorate the act of a whole region of the country taking up arms against the United States. That just seems wrong to me. Very, very wrong.
Yet I don't find myself angry at individual confederate soldiers. I'm sure many of them were decent people who were much like their northern counterparts. Even the Lincoln wished no malice on them. In fact, I feel sorry for them if anything, because so many were essentially fighting for the right of the southern elite to keep their slaves, jwhile many of them bought the whole "protect our homeland" line put out by the Confederate leaders.
My real anger is directed toward the Confederate leaders. I despise Jefferson Davis and other secessionists for their role in trying to break apart this country--especially for the reasons they did, and in causing the deaths of so many thousands of young men--both in the North and the South.
I do respect Robert E. Lee. He tried to promote reconciliation after the war, and though he fought for the confederacy, he was against secession in principle and simply put on the gray because didn't want to kill his fellow Virginians. I can understand that.
My family has lived near Columbia, S.C. since 1741. They never owned any slaves, but they fought for the Confederacy. My GGGfather was wounded near Richmond on the way home from the Second Manassas.
I was raised by lily-white bigots who only had one word for any race that wasn't them, and my Gfather was a member of the klan.
"Confederacy" here still means racist (today it travels under the name "heritage"), and there are a lot of people I personally know who would love to see the South returned to its former "glory".
Uhhh, by the way, the term is "secession" not "sucession". Any "fool" even superficially versed in history ought to at least be able to spell it right!
Also, only four of the 11 Confederate states gave slavery much attention in the declaration of causes. And all of those mentioned other causes as well. The rest of the seven never mentioned slavery at all.
Now then, I'd sure like to hear you explain the Northern slave trade and profits made off of it?
I mean, after all, the slaves (sold into slavery by fellow Africans who had captured them as slaves originally) could have not made it to work on some Southern plantations unless somebody got them there? Right? And not a single slave ship was ever chartered out of a Southern port. It was a purely northeastern commodity and source of wealth. Oh WOW...was it ever...
Read this link and the sub-links associated. Whew...did those yankees ever profit off slavery. And? Afterward? They sure made sure that blacks stayed in their place (Jim Crow laws originated in the North).
You're very much right. Both of us--North and South--had blood on our hands when it came to slavery.
Obviously someone went and cried to the Mods over a couple of my posts, even though the posts were factual.
So I ask this question again, why are we making a post celebrating the Confederacy???...is there an agenda here???.
The Confederacy despised Blacks, Italians, and Jews, among others. This hatred of other people was one of the foundations of "southern society".
Now, there was an incident in which the people of the "southern society" aka Confederates decided that "Northern Jews" had to be taught their place in the South. They used one incident in particular to get this message out that the "Confederacy" was alive and kicking.
If you want the story ask Mary Phagan the o.p. of this post.
Uhhh, by the way, the term is "secession" not "sucession". Any "fool" even superficially versed in history ought to at least be able to spell it right!
Also, only four of the 11 Confederate states gave slavery much attention in the declaration of causes. And all of those mentioned other causes as well. The rest of the seven never mentioned slavery at all.
Now then, I'd sure like to hear you explain the Northern slave trade and profits made off of it?
I mean, after all, the slaves (sold into slavery by fellow Africans who had captured them as slaves originally) could have not made it to work on some Southern plantations unless somebody got them there? Right? And not a single slave ship was ever chartered out of a Southern port. It was a purely northeastern commodity and source of wealth. Oh WOW...was it ever...
Read this link and the sub-links associated. Whew...did those yankees ever profit off slavery. And? Afterward? They sure made sure that blacks stayed in their place (Jim Crow laws originated in the North).
If a misspelled word proves your point then I've been proved wrong, if a misspelled word doesn't prove your point then it just means someone was being a boorish ass...you tell me???
Now comes the silly assed excuse.."oh, we only imported slaves to the South because the Northerners forced us to"..really.
The South was so spineless they couldn't refuse the importation of human chattel onto privately owned southern farms...Jesus will the deflection ever cease??
UHHmm, exactly which Northern States are celebrating chattel slavery???...right, NONE!!!
Northern slavery is a topic for another thread, it's only brought up by you as a half assed attempt at justifying the backwards society that chose to succeed from the country, turn traitorous, and treat people lower then animals.
All this to maintain wealth and a false sense of racial superiority.
Now, you can go debate with someone else about taxes, importation and all the other revisionist crap you want to, that purports to justify treason.
I'm not foolish enough to debate whether fire is hot enough, and I'm not foolish enough to debate that the South wasn't a society of bigots and selfish whites who wanted to maintain a kingdom based on human toil.
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You're very much right. Both of us--North and South--had blood on our hands when it came to slavery.
Thanks MacK. Incoming rep point!
That is really the point I am trying to make. That is, before one can righteously condemn the "sinners", then they better damn well be able to identify the "saints"!
Hell, my own kids are "half-yankee" (my ex and their mother was from up North! LOL).
Also, that history and the interpretation is not an objective science...and not always translatable and/or understandable over regional boundaries...
What a class act.You want to talk about Low Bred whites yet you talk about urinating on a dead man's headstone.That must be some Low Bred black thing that I,gladly,would'nt understand.And this does'nt surprise me,you from Detriot,the most filthy city in the US that people can't seem to run fast enough from.Just classy you are
Actually, I'm not some inbred bigot that believes taking the screen name, that celebrated the torture and lynching of an innocent man was an honorable deed.
Actually my screen name doesn't celebrate Southern whites getting back at the "filthy northern Jew"
Actually my screen name doesn't celebrate the white men who became prominent southerners after undermining their own judicial system. Leo Frank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So why don't you tell us the reason for this screen name??
Yeah, pretty much smacks of a low bred white person.
Pissing on their traitors headstones is a lot more merciful than most of their "heroric" deeds!!
Fort Pillow Massacre
Another officer of the unit, however, and the only surviving officers of the 13th Tennessee Cavalry attested to the characterization that unarmed soldiers were killed in the act of surrendering. However, a Confederate sergeant, in a letter written home shortly after the battle said that "the poor, deluded negroes would run up to our men, fall upon their knees, and with uplifted hand scream for mercy, but were ordered to their feet and then shot down."[14] This account is consistent with the relatively high comparative casualties sustained by race of the defenders.
The blacks and their officers were shot down, bayoneted and put to the sword in cold blood... . Out of four hundred negro soldiers only about twenty survive! At least three hundred of them were destroyed after the surrender! This is the statement of the rebel General Chalmers himself to our informant.[
On April 17, 1864, in the aftermath of Fort Pillow, Grant ordered General Benjamin F. Butler, who was negotiating prisoner exchanges with the Confederacy, to demand that in the exchange and treatment of prisoners, black prisoners had to be treated identically to whites. A failure to do so would "be regarded as a refusal on their part to agree to the further exchange of prisoners, and [would] be so treated by us."[20] This demand was refused and Confederate Secretary of War Seddon in June 1864 stated the confederate position:
I doubt, however, whether the exchange of negroes at all for our soldiers would be tolerated. As to the white officers serving with negro troops, we ought never to be inconvenienced with such prisoners.[21] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Fort_Pillow
Yeah, I'd **** on their treasonous graves!!!
Actually I would consider some people too ignorant to know the difference between "Detroit" and "Metro Detroit Area"
Tell you what, come to Bloomfield, Mi and compare it to where you live. Then let's talk about filthy cities..
Soon to be deleted as "off topic".
Last edited by reconmark; 01-11-2012 at 07:26 PM..
Actually, I'm not some inbred bigot that believes taking the screen name, that celebrated the torture and lynching of an innocent man was an honorable deed.
Actually my screen name doesn't celebrate Southern whites getting back at the "filthy northern Jew"
Actually my screen name doesn't celebrate the white men who became prominent southerners after undermining their own judicial system. Leo Frank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So why don't you tell us the reason for this screen name??
Yeah, pretty much smacks of a low bred white person.
Pissing on their traitors headstones is a lot more merciful than most of their "heroric" deeds!!
Fort Pillow Massacre
Another officer of the unit, however, and the only surviving officers of the 13th Tennessee Cavalry attested to the characterization that unarmed soldiers were killed in the act of surrendering. However, a Confederate sergeant, in a letter written home shortly after the battle said that "the poor, deluded negroes would run up to our men, fall upon their knees, and with uplifted hand scream for mercy, but were ordered to their feet and then shot down."[14] This account is consistent with the relatively high comparative casualties sustained by race of the defenders.
The blacks and their officers were shot down, bayoneted and put to the sword in cold blood... . Out of four hundred negro soldiers only about twenty survive! At least three hundred of them were destroyed after the surrender! This is the statement of the rebel General Chalmers himself to our informant.[
On April 17, 1864, in the aftermath of Fort Pillow, Grant ordered General Benjamin F. Butler, who was negotiating prisoner exchanges with the Confederacy, to demand that in the exchange and treatment of prisoners, black prisoners had to be treated identically to whites. A failure to do so would "be regarded as a refusal on their part to agree to the further exchange of prisoners, and [would] be so treated by us."[20] This demand was refused and Confederate Secretary of War Seddon in June 1864 stated the confederate position:
I doubt, however, whether the exchange of negroes at all for our soldiers would be tolerated. As to the white officers serving with negro troops, we ought never to be inconvenienced with such prisoners.[21] Battle of Fort Pillow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yeah, I'd **** on their treasonous graves!!!
Actually I would consider you to ignorant to know the difference between "Detroit" and "Metro Detroit Area"
Tell you what, come to Bloomfield, Mi and compare it to where you live. Then let's talk about filthy cities..
Mary,Mary quite contrary.And i'll pass on the invite but your more than welcome to come urinate on a Confederate cemetary here.I don't think you will.
The Civil War ended 147 years ago. Get over it, southerners.
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