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Old 04-03-2012, 02:55 PM
 
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Sorry dude, but folks who work as expert witnesses have far more to lose than one payday. You don't risk you or your companies reputation for a quick buck.

as for Owen not being an expert....

From his vitas:

Certificate of Achievement, Electro-Acoustics Synergetic Audio Concepts, 1983

Completion of Voice Identification Course, 1985

Certification as Voice Identification Examiner, July 17, 1986 by the

International Association for Identification,
Life Member Kentucky Division
Life Member New Jersey Division

Audio Engineering Society NY Chapter Board of Directors 1989-1991 1996-1998

Chairman (1991 to Present) Audio Engineering Society WG0-12 Working Group
"Forensic Audio"

The American Board of Forensic Examiners - BCFE, ABFE Fellow, Life Member,

Board Certified, Homeland Security Advisory Board

Chairman Emeritus of the Board of Recorded Evidence - American College of Forensic

Examiners 1997, 1998, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008

Diplomate in Audio/Video Authenticity and Voice Identification

Instructor "Southern Conference Seminar" Western Kentucky University 1992

Instructor "New York Institute for Forensic Audio" 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005,2006, 2007

Special Deputy, Warren County Sheriff's Department, Bowling Green, KY

Court Qualified as expert in voice identification, audio and video authentication,
signal processing, tape enhancement, recording industry practices.

To date: New York Southern District, New York Eastern District, New York, Buffalo, and New York State Court. Philadelphia, PA; Bethlehem, PA; Hartford, CT; Bridgeport, CT; New York Rockland County; Raleigh, NC; Newark, NJ; Mays Landing, NJ; Tottawa, NJ; Nashville, TN; Savannah, GA; Carmel, NY; Dover, DE; Tulsa, OK; Louisville, KY; Los Angeles, CA; Bowling Green, KY; Alexandria, VA; Zenia, OH; Kansas City, MO; Denver, CO; NY Bronx Superior Court, Manhattan Supreme Court; NYPD Arbitration Hearing Board; Morganville, West Virginia; Fresno, CA; Grand Cayman, Cayman Islands; Washington DC; Maryland; Florida; Idaho, Las Vegas, Nevada, Hartford, CT, Evanston, IL, Somerville, NJ, Brooklyn, NY, Miami, FL and others.
Clearly he's a novice...

 
Old 04-03-2012, 02:56 PM
 
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You didn't read the link did you?
Oh, I read it. I always read them and most of the time I read them better than the person who posts them.
 
Old 04-03-2012, 02:59 PM
 
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Can you please provide a link with sources to how much blood comes out of a front-entrance 9mm wound to the chest? My understanding is that the exit wound is typically much much larger, because of the "jet effect" of all the tissue and bone pushing out the exit wound at high velocity.

I'm open to correction.
 
Old 04-03-2012, 03:00 PM
 
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Oh, I read it. I always read them and most of the time I read them better than the person who posts them.
So then you know that

"As prestigious as the “New York Institute for Forensic Audio” sounds, there is no such brick and mortar institute. It is actually a “division” of Owen Investigations, LLC. Tom Owen is basically claiming he was an instructor at his own unaccredited university."

And that

"Both Primeau and Owen report that they are credentialed by the American College Forensic Examiners Institute.
Sadly, it turns out there is an entire suite of these “forensics” board sites, on almost any topic you can think of, which all seem to be ran by the same person, a gentleman named Dr. O’Block who claims to have more than a dozen degrees himself."

Mr. Owen also has a B.A. in History from some small school in Kentucky. He's no engineer.

Sounds totally legit to me!!!
 
Old 04-03-2012, 03:01 PM
 
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He was shot from front, in chest.

And lying face down makes sense given he was on top of Zimmerman... This isn't Hollywood where a single 9mm blows you back 10 feet. People shot from the front crumple forward all the time.
How could the boy be on top of him when shot? He'd be found lying on his back if he was shot while on top of Zimmerman. If you shot someone in their chest while on top of you, then you'd have to push their dead body off and they wouldn't be found lying on their stomach, they'd be on their back.

If he shot him he'd have the boys blood on his clothing if he was on top of him fighting. There was no blood on Zimmerman at the police station.
 
Old 04-03-2012, 03:01 PM
 
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So Tom Owen, who has testified in trials in the past as an expert, perpetrated a fraud upon the courts by saying he was an expert when he really wasn't? Owen, a forensic audio analyst, who is chairman emeritus of the American Board of Recorded Evidence, and Primeau as well, an audio engineer, listed as an expert by the American College of Forensic Examiners, are just a couple of guys with audio tape machines who think they know everything?

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The point isn't just the conflict of interest. "Owen" is not an expert, either.
 
Old 04-03-2012, 03:05 PM
 
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So, in other words, you believe the Stand Your Ground law covers pursuing someone?

As I have said many times, words have meanings.
1st, 'Stand Your Ground' is a popular name for the law; it's not the title of the law. 2nd, words Do have meaning, which is why the Words of the law, which you've probably never read, don't stop gz from using it as a defense.
 
Old 04-03-2012, 03:06 PM
 
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How could the boy be on top of him when shot? He'd be found lying on his back if he was shot while on top of Zimmerman. If you shot someone in their chest while on top of you, then you'd have to push their dead body off and they wouldn't be found lying on their stomach, they'd be on their back.

If he shot him he'd have the boys blood on his clothing if he was on top of him fighting. There was no blood on Zimmerman at the police station.
Please provide a link with sources to the amount of blood that comes from a 9mm entrance wound. In a lot of gunshots, the majority of the gore is in the exit wound, because of the jet effect from all the internal matter pushing out the exit.

And you don't know he didn't just wiggle out from under him, rather than rolling him over. What an absurd conjecture.
 
Old 04-03-2012, 03:08 PM
N8!
 
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Lots of words in this thread, but it begs the question:

Has anyone EVER change their point-of-view based on what's posted in a intraweb forum?

Doubtful
 
Old 04-03-2012, 03:09 PM
 
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So Tom Owen, who has testified in trials in the past as an expert, perpetrated a fraud upon the courts by saying he was an expert when he really wasn't? Owen, a forensic audio analyst, who is chairman emeritus of the American Board of Recorded Evidence, and Primeau as well, an audio engineer, listed as an expert by the American College of Forensic Examiners, are just a couple of guys with audio tape machines who think they know everything?

No, what I am saying is that there is a cottage industry of court experts and you can get an expert to say just about anything you want on any number of topics.

The dude is not an engineer, he has a B.A. in history from some no-name college in Kentucky. He boasts about teaching at his own unaccredited school. He also has a clear conflict of interest promoting his expensive software.
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