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Can you imagine if every fight that resulted with a broken nose and some bruises ended with a deadly shooting? We wouldn't have any hockey players left in the NHL.
Thankfully, every state and hundreds of years of western jurisprudence disagree with this idiotic sentiment.
A willing bar fight between two bros in a bar, or a willing moderated fight in a hockey game, is different than an unjustified and unconsented-to assault on the street. The law correctly places the burden on the assaulter rather than the victim.
It only takes a second for a beat-down to become deadly. With nobody around to stop the assault, if the victim loses consciousness, it's game over.
Obviously the rules don't apply for certain people. Apparantly George Zimmerman is an upstanding citizen despite his arrest record and Trayvon is a violent thug because he had an empty baggie, a screw driver and carved WTF into a locker - I mean what high school student carves things in lockers or writes on bathroom stalls...sheesh the nerve of him for breathing, walking to the store or buying a bag of skittles. The nerve of him for asking why a strange man in an unmarked vehicle is following him. He should have taken his hoodie off, made sure he didn't look Zimmerman in the eyes and bowed his head, answered every question "no suh I's just walkin' to the sto' to get me n my bruh a few snacks, I didn't mean no harm suh". Maybe he should've offered to dance a *** and made sure he kept his eyes on the ground as he walked back to the place he was visiting. How dare he not immediately submit to Zimmerman! /Sarcasm
This is truly sad that some people cannot see Trayvon Martin as a teenager. It is sad and obvious by some of the posts in here that they view him as subhuman and are looking for reasons to justify Zimmerman killing him. If he did not not have to do this, if there was not probable cause, Trayvon Martin's family deserves to see justice served for their child. The inability to feel empathy and compassion is truly a disgrace and there is nothing Godly about that. The nerve, the hypocrisy of some of these people in here that call themselves men/women of God to turn their back on a child of God. If it were their child, I am sure the would not simply accept Zimmerman's explaination and let it go so easily.
Can you imagine if every fight that resulted with a broken nose and some bruises ended with a deadly shooting? We wouldn't have any hockey players left in the NHL.
Diplomate in Audio/Video Authenticity and Voice Identification
Instructor "Southern Conference Seminar" Western Kentucky University 1992
Instructor "New York Institute for Forensic Audio" 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005,2006, 2007
Special Deputy, Warren County Sheriff's Department, Bowling Green, KY
Court Qualified as expert in voice identification, audio and video authentication,
signal processing, tape enhancement, recording industry practices.
To date: New York Southern District, New York Eastern District, New York, Buffalo, and New York State Court. Philadelphia, PA; Bethlehem, PA; Hartford, CT; Bridgeport, CT; New York Rockland County; Raleigh, NC; Newark, NJ; Mays Landing, NJ; Tottawa, NJ; Nashville, TN; Savannah, GA; Carmel, NY; Dover, DE; Tulsa, OK; Louisville, KY; Los Angeles, CA; Bowling Green, KY; Alexandria, VA; Zenia, OH; Kansas City, MO; Denver, CO; NY Bronx Superior Court, Manhattan Supreme Court; NYPD Arbitration Hearing Board; Morganville, West Virginia; Fresno, CA; Grand Cayman, Cayman Islands; Washington DC; Maryland; Florida; Idaho, Las Vegas, Nevada, Hartford, CT, Evanston, IL, Somerville, NJ, Brooklyn, NY, Miami, FL and others.
As for you voice breaking was that based upon aural perception of wave form analysis?
Thankfully, every state and hundreds of years of western jurisprudence disagree with this idiotic sentiment.
A willing bar fight between two bros in a bar, or a willing moderated fight in a hockey game, is different than an unjustified and unconsented-to assault on the street. The law correctly places the burden on the assaulter rather than the victim.
It only takes a second for a beat-down to become deadly. With nobody around to stop the assault, if the victim loses consciousness, it's game over.
Okay, so you think I'm an idiot. Thank you. However, you are stating that a broken nose is a reason to shoot someone, unless you didn't actually read the post to which I was responding.
Let me ask you this. A man sees someone he believes is a dangerous suspect. He calls the police and says that this suspect is acting strangely, probably on drugs and up to no good. The police dispatcher advises him to stay in his car and not to follow the person he feels might be a criminal. After all, that "suspicious person" might have a gun or a knife. What moron, when he was not in harm's way, would then chase that dangerous person, unless he planned to shoot him?
I'm not saying Zimmerman committed murder or even shot Trayvon Martin on purpose. How would I know? However, if Zimmerman was so damn afraid of Martin because of his size, appearance, the way he was walking, etc., why did he go after him in the first place? IMHO common sense tells you that this man only felt safe following and confronting Martin because he had a 9mm holstered around his waist. If not, he was an idiot or he was lying when he claimed he looked at him as a threat. After all, he told the police Martin was running away.
The report states that George Zimmerman's gun "was placed into evidence" and not returned to him, and the scene of the shooting was secured with crime scene tape. This directly conflicts with statements made by civil rights activists, including Rev. Jesse Jackson, who had claimed the Sanford, Fla., police department "didn't even bother to put yellow tape around the murder scene when he died—that's how much the police did to find out what happened to this young boy."
Would this be an issue if this young man had been white, or Hispanic? Would this be an issue if the shooter had been black? That is the real crime...is that we still can't get past what color people are...
The real problem is the law, it is okay to shoot folks, if you feel threatened. According to the law, Zimmerman felt "threatened", he shot the kid. The law needs review...that is the issue.
Diplomate in Audio/Video Authenticity and Voice Identification
Instructor "Southern Conference Seminar" Western Kentucky University 1992
Instructor "New York Institute for Forensic Audio" 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005,2006, 2007
Special Deputy, Warren County Sheriff's Department, Bowling Green, KY
Court Qualified as expert in voice identification, audio and video authentication,
signal processing, tape enhancement, recording industry practices.
To date: New York Southern District, New York Eastern District, New York, Buffalo, and New York State Court. Philadelphia, PA; Bethlehem, PA; Hartford, CT; Bridgeport, CT; New York Rockland County; Raleigh, NC; Newark, NJ; Mays Landing, NJ; Tottawa, NJ; Nashville, TN; Savannah, GA; Carmel, NY; Dover, DE; Tulsa, OK; Louisville, KY; Los Angeles, CA; Bowling Green, KY; Alexandria, VA; Zenia, OH; Kansas City, MO; Denver, CO; NY Bronx Superior Court, Manhattan Supreme Court; NYPD Arbitration Hearing Board; Morganville, West Virginia; Fresno, CA; Grand Cayman, Cayman Islands; Washington DC; Maryland; Florida; Idaho, Las Vegas, Nevada, Hartford, CT, Evanston, IL, Somerville, NJ, Brooklyn, NY, Miami, FL and others.
As for you voice breaking was that based upon aural perception of wave form analysis?
Your turn.
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Originally Posted by SimpleMan Straight from the mouths of the experts who analyzed the tape:
"The experts, both of whom say they have testified in cases involving audio analysis, stressed they cannot say who was screaming. They have no samples of Martin's voice."
Diplomate in Audio/Video Authenticity and Voice Identification
Instructor "Southern Conference Seminar" Western Kentucky University 1992
Instructor "New York Institute for Forensic Audio" 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005,2006, 2007
Special Deputy, Warren County Sheriff's Department, Bowling Green, KY
Court Qualified as expert in voice identification, audio and video authentication,
signal processing, tape enhancement, recording industry practices.
To date: New York Southern District, New York Eastern District, New York, Buffalo, and New York State Court. Philadelphia, PA; Bethlehem, PA; Hartford, CT; Bridgeport, CT; New York Rockland County; Raleigh, NC; Newark, NJ; Mays Landing, NJ; Tottawa, NJ; Nashville, TN; Savannah, GA; Carmel, NY; Dover, DE; Tulsa, OK; Louisville, KY; Los Angeles, CA; Bowling Green, KY; Alexandria, VA; Zenia, OH; Kansas City, MO; Denver, CO; NY Bronx Superior Court, Manhattan Supreme Court; NYPD Arbitration Hearing Board; Morganville, West Virginia; Fresno, CA; Grand Cayman, Cayman Islands; Washington DC; Maryland; Florida; Idaho, Las Vegas, Nevada, Hartford, CT, Evanston, IL, Somerville, NJ, Brooklyn, NY, Miami, FL and others.
As for you voice breaking was that based upon aural perception of wave form analysis?
Your turn.
Are you saying it's not common knowledge of what happens at puberty and when you reach adult pitch? Actually, your voice isn't fully formed until about the age of 30 either.
The standards indicate that when analyzing speech, there should be a minimum of at least 10 words to be compared with each other in order to say you can have a “possible elimination” conclusion. But in this case, the cries for help don’t have nearly that number of words.
And you've been shown this already, but there are excellent points.
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