Official 10:00 healthcare ruling decision thread (George Bush, Congress, illegal, health care)
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I was amazed to see people cheering on the steps of the Supreme Court that the biggest tax increase in U.S. history was just imposed by a court. That congress can now pass any 'mandate' with a 'tax' penalty.
It's a sad day for freedom and liberty.
this is so true. It can become a tax . any mandate now can be converted into a tax without the congress.. and it is still a mandate no matter how you look at it.. a year from now it will still be a mandate and nothing will change that..
the court should not have the power to implement this mandate under the guise of a tax.. we are not baffoons here. I don't care who or what anyone says. The court passed a mandate under the lie it is a tax and no words will change that fact.
technically it is still a mandate. Everyone has to participate and that is a mandate. I am not fooled by all that jargon about it being a tax. Foolish talk.
Why is this act constitutional? Despite Obama lying to America, it is a tax.
The larger effect may be the flood gate of government power that just opened.
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I know some of you already know this, because that is what you want, but for those that dont, you need to realize that what happened to day is bigger than the mess and tax Obamacare will create. A precedent has now been set, to give the the government even more power and overseeing over all our lives.
The Constitution was set a fire today. The Constitution was put in place to limit the power of the government over the people. The passing and legalization of this bill goes completely against the Constitution, the founders, and we the people.
They can now basically force us to buy nearly anything, with a simple threat of a penalty should we say no. How is that America? How the hell did we get to a point where now the government will control our behavior? How can anyone, who believes in our Constitution, truly applaud and cheer at what happened today, knowing we have less control/power over our own lives?
Also, with Obamacare, in order to control costs, they will do more of what Bloomberg just did. They will start banning this and that and this and that. They will start to tax even more things. They will control what procedures you can get, and when. You health, is now not private. Its now the governments business. And that's just the beginning. You control health, you can start to control nearly any aspect of a persons life. That is what why America lost today and why founders would be so disgusted with where we are at
Ermmm.. seat belts. Thought you said something about controlling behavior. People used to hate seat belts. And motorcycle helmets. Et al.
He intalled mandates in MA, and in a presidental debate he said he loves mandates. Is that what you mean?
I don't believe Romney on anything, I think he is Obama Lite, but... there is a difference between a State mandate to which people can move to other states that do not share such views and that of a federal mandate to which there is no escape (ie... you are ruled, shut up, sit down, and be the good peasant).
Why is this act constitutional? Despite Obama lying to America, it is a tax.
Blame it on our founding fathers. They set up our system of government this way. The constitution means whatever the Supreme court say's it means. As a matter of fact, that is their only function. It does not mean whatever some kitchen table constitutionalists think it means. It doesn't mean what the president think's it means or what the congress think it means. The constitution means whatever the SCOTUS says it means. That's their only function. To interpret to the American people what is constitutional and what is not.
Except for the fact that with the Supreme Court changing it to a tax, it being a tax increase is on the Supreme Court, not Obama.
I doubt this will honestly affect the election much.
Again, though, not that it matters, since Romney and Obama are pretty much the same politician.
No, Obama and the democrats forced this very unpopular tax down our throats not the court.
Another interesting aspect of Obamacare being a tax is he can't exempt people or groups from paying tax. So unions and his political cronies that he tried to exempt won't stand. The government can't tax some people or groups and not others ...
It's also very possible that Roberts did this because he's a lawyer and understand law.
Have you ever actually talked to any lawyers about this case? My brother is one and I've talked to several. Liberal or conservative, they all agreed that the SC should vote in favor of the mandate due to precedent.
It's a tax not a mandate ... the greatest tax ever imposed on the people in world history. I can't wait till the debates ...
this is so true. It can become a tax . any mandate now can be converted into a tax without the congress.. and it is still a mandate no matter how you look at it.. a year from now it will still be a mandate and nothing will change that..
the court should not have the power to implement this mandate under the guise of a tax.. we are not baffoons here. I don't care who or what anyone says. The court passed a mandate under the lie it is a tax and no words will change that fact.
Actually the court did no such thing. Congress passed the bill and not the court. All the court said was that it was in congress power to do so.
Mitt Romney offered that term in his June 2009 op-ed for people like you. May be you should ask him?
Dude, you need to move to a socialist country and leave the USA alone. Most of us here love liberty and freedom. If you so love tyranny (the nanny state), please move somewhere where you will be happy.
This country wasn't founded on a nanny state, some of us would like to keep it that way.
Riddle me this. If Obama really truly believes that Obamacare is not a tax, why did he argue it was a tax in front of the Supreme Court? After all, that's what he won on. Doesn't that smack of hypocrisy?
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