Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 07-07-2012, 11:27 AM
 
14,917 posts, read 13,103,566 times
Reputation: 4828

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Harrier View Post
No - it was not at his church - it was at his home.
He built a church on his property (and apparently lied about it on his permit applications).
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 07-07-2012, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
29,094 posts, read 26,008,825 times
Reputation: 6128
Quote:
Originally Posted by Who?Me?! View Post
"I read these as:

"""We christians don't need no stinkin' laws! We is CHRISTIANS and laws are for heathens....and anyway we can get around a law we will! It's the christian way! having our tax free churches isn't enough for us tax SUCKINGLeeches!!""""
OK - you don't like Christians - we get that.

You live in a republic where the First Amendment is under attack - just because this specific case doesn't effect you personally - doesn't mean that you shouldn't be concerned. We have become so divided that we have forgotten that the Constitution is meant to protect all of us - not to be used as a bludgeon against people we disagree with.

Last edited by CaseyB; 07-07-2012 at 01:14 PM.. Reason: personal
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-07-2012, 11:32 AM
 
11,531 posts, read 10,292,202 times
Reputation: 3580
Quote:
Originally Posted by Harrier View Post
I don't know what "Jesus Juice" is.

I thought that you said you were going to open up a bar?
google it, and yes it will be a bar with church status
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-07-2012, 11:32 AM
 
41,813 posts, read 51,059,937 times
Reputation: 17865
Quote:
Originally Posted by Harrier View Post
All - the Phoenix prosecutor would not go to the extremes that they did for someone who hosted MNF games - people do this regularly - in various location.
Do think the neighbors might complain if you had a party 3 times a week? There is limits to what you can do on residential property and while single large party may be against the law it's not enforced because it's not a constant event 3 times a week. If you were holding a party 3 times week you're going to be in the same position this guy is.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-07-2012, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
29,094 posts, read 26,008,825 times
Reputation: 6128
Quote:
Originally Posted by hammertime33 View Post
He built a church on his property (and apparently lied about it on his permit applications).
He did not build a church - not even the city of Phoenix claims that - stop making stuff up.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-07-2012, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
29,094 posts, read 26,008,825 times
Reputation: 6128
Quote:
Originally Posted by thecoalman View Post
Do think the neighbors might complain if you had a party 3 times a week? There is limits to what you can do on residential property and while single large party may be against the law it's not enforced because it's not a constant event 3 times a week. If you were holding a party 3 times week you're going to be in the same position this guy is.
Sure - if the party was disturbing people. Just because the neighbors complained doesn't mean that their complaints were legitamate. People whine and moan about a lot of inconsequential stuff. These people were targeted specifically because of the religious nature of their gatherings.

And you ignored the fact that people hold regular MNF parties and poker games - and aren't dealt with in the manner that the Salman's were.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-07-2012, 11:40 AM
 
14,917 posts, read 13,103,566 times
Reputation: 4828
Quote:
Originally Posted by Harrier View Post
He did not build a church - not even the city of Phoenix claims that - stop making stuff up.
That's exactly what the city claims, it's exactly what the courts found, and it's exactly what he did. Stop lying - it's un-Christlike.

Let's look at the situation - an ordained priest built a structure complete with pulpit, pews for 40, and a large cross out front. In his own words, once it was erected "we started worshiping in that building every weekend," plus he was holding weekly bible study classes on two other evenings there. This isn't a church how???
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-07-2012, 11:40 AM
 
21,026 posts, read 22,153,076 times
Reputation: 5941
Quote:
Originally Posted by Harrier View Post
OK - you don't like Christians - we get that.

You live in a republic where the First Amendment is under attack - just because this specific case doesn't effect you personally - doesn't mean that you shouldn't be concerned. We have become so divided that we have forgotten that the Constitution is meant to protect all of us - not to be used as a bludgeon against people we disagree with.

You are part of the problem - your hatred and intolerance is noted """""


OH! I'm so scared!!! But I could start a thread(it would take waaaaaaayyyy too much time ) on the loving, tolerant history of christianity.....ya know, with the hate and murders and torture and genocide....



""""- but that shouldn't cloud your judgment so much that you will ignore the attack on our collective liberty.
NOPE! All the speech about liberty is baloney.....christians have to follow laws just like everyone else....but they just WHINE more....
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-07-2012, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Florida
33,571 posts, read 18,165,778 times
Reputation: 15551
Quote:
Originally Posted by thecoalman View Post
Do think the neighbors might complain if you had a party 3 times a week? There is limits to what you can do on residential property and while single large party may be against the law it's not enforced because it's not a constant event 3 times a week. If you were holding a party 3 times week you're going to be in the same position this guy is.
yes , I bet those studying the bible got really loud and obnoxious.

I bet they look the other way when illegals crowd into a house and live there daily.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-07-2012, 11:58 AM
 
Location: the Beaver State
6,464 posts, read 13,442,036 times
Reputation: 3581
Quote:
Originally Posted by Harrier View Post
It is a sad day in America when our freedom of assembly and freedom to practice religion as guaranteed by the First Amendment - and paid for by blood - are being denied and those who assemble and worship are being charged with "crimes" and possibly being thrown in jail.
What about the Freedom get exit a burning building safely? Ironically, it was a tragedy at a Church that prompted such safety rules.

The Fire at Precious Blood Church, 1875
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top