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Old 07-21-2012, 11:43 PM
 
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Yes, she was.
false.

Barackryphal: The Secret Origin of the Birthers

neither hillary or her campaign said anything in support of birtherism. there were some hillary supporters ( PUMAs, phil berg ) who were early proponents of birtherism but they were not the first/original.
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Old 07-21-2012, 11:46 PM
 
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false.

Barackryphal: The Secret Origin of the Birthers

neither hillary or her campaign said anything in support of birtherism. there were some hillary supporters ( PUMAs, phil berg ) who were early proponents of birtherism but they were not the first/original.
Who runs the website Barackryphal? Tell us.
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Old 07-21-2012, 11:48 PM
 
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Who runs the website Barackryphal? Tell us.
don't know. who runs barackryphal?
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Old 07-21-2012, 11:49 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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false.

Barackryphal: The Secret Origin of the Birthers

neither hillary or her campaign said anything in support of birtherism. there were some hillary supporters ( PUMAs, phil berg ) who were early proponents of birtherism but they were not the first/original.
It makes sense that Hillary Clinton had nothing to do with the start of this accusation. She herself was spawned in the deepest pits of hell, and her birth certificate would surely reflect upon this.
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Old 07-21-2012, 11:52 PM
 
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There is no need since the 50 year old original document hasn't been released.
There is this MAJOR problem that you folks don't seem to want to accept. The state of Hawaii could issue a birth certificate on a piece of toilet paper and once certified MUST be accepted as prima facie evidence of citizenship in all 50 states. It is called in the Constitution the "full faith and credit clause", Article IV, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.

The State of Hawaii has certified Obama's birth certificate(s) and have on numerous occasions verified that the copy represented by Obama is indeed the certificate which the state of Hawaii has issued. So it doesn't matter how many "experts" sheriffs, state attorney generals, dirt bag birthers or other forms of lunatics yell and scream, the issue is moot, doa, kaput, over but thanks for the entertainment.
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Old 07-22-2012, 12:08 AM
 
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There is this MAJOR problem that you folks don't seem to want to accept. The state of Hawaii could issue a birth certificate on a piece of toilet paper and once certified MUST be accepted as prima facie evidence of citizenship in all 50 states. It is called in the Constitution the "full faith and credit clause", Article IV, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.

The State of Hawaii has certified Obama's birth certificate(s) and have on numerous occasions verified that the copy represented by Obama is indeed the certificate which the state of Hawaii has issued. So it doesn't matter how many "experts" sheriffs, state attorney generals, dirt bag birthers or other forms of lunatics yell and scream, the issue is moot, doa, kaput, over but thanks for the entertainment.
What Hawaii certified and what was placed on the White House server has been found to be a 'definite' forgery with overwhelming evidence. The new analysis in high thorough detail by Garrett Papit confirms it. With that said and with the new evidence released, no Judge in the country, nor state, can rely on this document as authentic. It does not even meet the prima facie evidence standards of the state of Hawaii.

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Old 07-22-2012, 12:12 AM
 
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Meh... whatever. No one takes this seriously.
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Old 07-22-2012, 02:42 AM
 
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A new computer systems analyst/web designer expert by the name of Garrett Palpit recruited by the Maricopa County Sheriff Departments CCP has released a 'Comprehensive Analysis of Obama's Long Form Birth Certificate PDF File'. This Analysis contains devastating evidence proving 'definitely' that Sheriff Joe Arpaio's investigators and computer expert findings were right on March 31, that Obama's birth certificate released by the White House back on April 27, 2011, was a forgery. This new evidence released by a authoritative law enforcement agency carries weight and trumps pro Obama websites who have no experts in this particular field of computer science.

These non experts have done a horrendous shoddy job at trying to debunk the MCSO evidence failing miserably at every turn. Garrett Papits evidence presented is very thorough with highly detailed graphic imaging exhibits contained in a most exquisite well presentation on a step by step basis. The conclusion of the documented breakdown of the 'certificate of live birth' released on the White House servers proves that 'definite manual manipulation' has been initiated indicating human tampering of the document which means 'pure' forgery was applied. Garrett, along with other computer experts were invited and will be doing a New York radio talk show with a audience of millions to discuss this evidence released on the birth certificate topic tonight. This is good news because people need to listen to this evidence.


You can look at the evidence presented here.
http://www.mcso.org/MultiMedia/Press...l%20Report.pdf
As opposed by the experts who have declared it a legal and correct copy.
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Old 07-22-2012, 09:26 AM
 
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A new computer systems analyst/web designer expert by the name of Garrett Palpit recruited by the Maricopa County Sheriff Departments CCP has released a 'Comprehensive Analysis of Obama's Long Form Birth Certificate PDF File'.
How funny. Let's first talk a little bit about Garrett Papit (note the spelling).

He has no experience in any field having anything to do with digital document forensics. In fact, during the MCSO briefing, Lead Investigator Zullo apologized that Papit was not an expert, but he the best they could find since every real expert they approached told them to go pound sand.

Now let's have with a review of the sprinting Birther goal posts on this particular issue.

For almost a full year... from April of 2011 to March of 2012... the resolute Birther position was that the presence of "layers"... any layers at all... were proof of forgery. This was the position that Papit himselfmaintained in the comments section on WND for months even after the first MCSO "rport" had been issued. It was the position promoted by Mara Zebest in her first "report" on the long form PDF. It was the position vigorously promoted by Karl Denninger in his videos. And it was a position Birther debunkers such as your truly demonstrated was objectively wrong within days of it first having been proposed by the amateur Birther analysts that popped up out of nowhere after the original Whitehouse release.

But then at the first Arpaio "press conference" in March the Cold Case Posse jerked Greater-Birthistan into a complete 180 degree reversal. Finally having noticed what everybody else knew for a year (that simple optimization of a flat digital image file into the PDF format does create "layers" after all) a new and different objection was raised to take its place. Suddenly the Birther complaint was not that "there were layers," but that there were not enough layers. The reversal was humorously sterile of any acknowledgment that all the Birther "experts" had had their heads up their collective asses for eleven months.

But now, in the second Arpaio "press conference" the story has again mutated profoundly. Not once was the pathetic and purely subjective "not enough layers" argument even mentioned. Like the "all layers are proof of forgery" assertion before it, it was hidden in the attic, unacknowledged and unmentioned like an embarrassing step child. Now, the objection has shrunk to "not all layers are created equal." It is the equivalent of what I used to call "The Incredible Shrinking Creation Model" when I used to debate creationists in the 80s. It is an attempt to salvage one last scrap of utility from an argument that was never true, but at least got the rank and file excited. There is no genuine argument here... but the word "layers" has always managed to set Birthers buzzing so it must be preserved in the discussion at all costs.

Sadly, Garrett's newest "analysis" is merely the vestigial version of the now debunked (by Birthers) Karl Denninger videos and Marla Zebest report. It is ultimately nothing more than an an argument from ignorance. As Nietzsche observed, "'I cannot comprehend it, so it must be incomprehensible.' All fish think like this."

His analysis fails with this single observation... the "600 tests he performed" are barely dipping his toe in the water. The variables available that contribute to the details of any resulting PDF are simply too many and too diverse to be controlled and accounted for by a mere 600 tests... most of which I get the impression from his paper were actually redundant. There are hundreds of thousands of possible combinations of hardware, software and switches... and he tested 600 of them? Register me formally and transcendently unimpressed. Such an argument does not prove that the PDF is not recreatable. It proves only that Garrett Papit is not competent to recreate it.

I believe I have already used this analogy elsewhere, but it's a good one so I will repeat myself. What he has done is the equivalent of dropping a fishing line into Lake Meade, reeling in an empty hook ten times, and then declaring the entire lake devoid of fish.

It is merely more Birther fail.
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Old 07-22-2012, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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What Hawaii certified and what was placed on the White House server has been found to be a 'definite' forgery with overwhelming evidence.
There is no evidence that it is a forgery at all.
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