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Old 07-22-2012, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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don't know. who runs barackryphal?
A conservative southern lawyer named Loren Collins.
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Old 07-22-2012, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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I'm confident he is qualified as well as the other experts that worked on the case.
Well... at least he wasn't caught deliberately lying and fabricating fake evidence during the press conference, like Zullo was.

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Old 07-22-2012, 09:53 AM
 
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In fact, during the MCSO briefing, Lead Investigator Zullo apologized that Papit was not an expert, but he the best they could find since every real expert they approached told them to go pound sand.
forgot about that.

hard to argue that you have a qualified expert when the lead "investigator" states they couldn't get a qualified expert.
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Old 07-22-2012, 09:54 AM
 
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mike zullo of the CCP showed a 1968 "vital statistics instructions manual" during the video presentation and claimed it was from 1961, true or false?
still waiting on an answer to this one.
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Old 07-22-2012, 11:54 AM
 
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How funny. Let's first talk a little bit about Garrett Papit (note the spelling).

He has no experience in any field having anything to do with digital document forensics. In fact, during the MCSO briefing, Lead Investigator Zullo apologized that Papit was not an expert, but he the best they could find since every real expert they approached told them to go pound sand.

Now let's have with a review of the sprinting Birther goal posts on this particular issue.

For almost a full year... from April of 2011 to March of 2012... the resolute Birther position was that the presence of "layers"... any layers at all... were proof of forgery. This was the position that Papit himselfmaintained in the comments section on WND for months even after the first MCSO "rport" had been issued. It was the position promoted by Mara Zebest in her first "report" on the long form PDF. It was the position vigorously promoted by Karl Denninger in his videos. And it was a position Birther debunkers such as your truly demonstrated was objectively wrong within days of it first having been proposed by the amateur Birther analysts that popped up out of nowhere after the original Whitehouse release.

But then at the first Arpaio "press conference" in March the Cold Case Posse jerked Greater-Birthistan into a complete 180 degree reversal. Finally having noticed what everybody else knew for a year (that simple optimization of a flat digital image file into the PDF format does create "layers" after all) a new and different objection was raised to take its place. Suddenly the Birther complaint was not that "there were layers," but that there were not enough layers. The reversal was humorously sterile of any acknowledgment that all the Birther "experts" had had their heads up their collective asses for eleven months.

But now, in the second Arpaio "press conference" the story has again mutated profoundly. Not once was the pathetic and purely subjective "not enough layers" argument even mentioned. Like the "all layers are proof of forgery" assertion before it, it was hidden in the attic, unacknowledged and unmentioned like an embarrassing step child. Now, the objection has shrunk to "not all layers are created equal." It is the equivalent of what I used to call "The Incredible Shrinking Creation Model" when I used to debate creationists in the 80s. It is an attempt to salvage one last scrap of utility from an argument that was never true, but at least got the rank and file excited. There is no genuine argument here... but the word "layers" has always managed to set Birthers buzzing so it must be preserved in the discussion at all costs.

Sadly, Garrett's newest "analysis" is merely the vestigial version of the now debunked (by Birthers) Karl Denninger videos and Marla Zebest report. It is ultimately nothing more than an an argument from ignorance. As Nietzsche observed, "'I cannot comprehend it, so it must be incomprehensible.' All fish think like this."

His analysis fails with this single observation... the "600 tests he performed" are barely dipping his toe in the water. The variables available that contribute to the details of any resulting PDF are simply too many and too diverse to be controlled and accounted for by a mere 600 tests... most of which I get the impression from his paper were actually redundant. There are hundreds of thousands of possible combinations of hardware, software and switches... and he tested 600 of them? Register me formally and transcendently unimpressed. Such an argument does not prove that the PDF is not recreatable. It proves only that Garrett Papit is not competent to recreate it.

I believe I have already used this analogy elsewhere, but it's a good one so I will repeat myself. What he has done is the equivalent of dropping a fishing line into Lake Meade, reeling in an empty hook ten times, and then declaring the entire lake devoid of fish.

It is merely more Birther fail.
Your post reeks of desperation since you are not a expert. Your flawed opinion has been noted. Garrett Papit has put together a exceptional thorough presentation that walks you through the forged document step by step. On the other hand this subject is getting news time. ABC invited lead investigator Mark Zullo to explain more about the 'definite' forged birth certificate to viewers. Have a look.

VIDEO: Arpaio's lead investigator talks Obama birth certificate with ABC15
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Old 07-22-2012, 12:00 PM
 
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Well... at least he wasn't caught deliberately lying and fabricating fake evidence during the press conference, like Zullo was.

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Dr. Conspiracy is a manipulator. His work is meant to deceive apparently. The Maricopa Sheriff Departments findings are authoritative. Dr Conspiracy's findings? not so much.
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Old 07-22-2012, 12:04 PM
 
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Dr. Conspiracy is a manipulator. His work is meant to deceive apparently. The Maricopa Sheriff Departments findings are authoritative. Dr Conspiracy's findings? not so much.

Dr. Conspiracy backs up his claims with facts an evidence. Not made up lies

Arpaio's investigation was funded by World Nut Daily, and by the tax payers of Arizona's Maricopa county, when Arpaio said it wouldn't be. He lied to them.

The investigation as nothing but a sham from the get go.
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Old 07-22-2012, 01:00 PM
 
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Default Political Nightmare For White House: ABC News Questions The Validity Of Obama's Birth Certificate

Everything starts out slow just like Watergate did before it went national. The Maricopa Sheriff's Departments investigation has awaken a lot of people on this subject and this issue is gaining traction. Radio talk shows are highly interested interviewing the investigators of this case iand news sources are realizing this polarizing issue is a very important. The Maricopa Sheriffs Departments lead investigator was invited by ABC to explain more on how Obama's birth certificate is a forgery. It is very compelling. The interview was very good and balanced. Actually, precisely what a reporter should be asking of the materials presented in the Maricopa County Sheriff Departments press conference they gave on July 17th. The 6 minute report you are about to watch is something the White House can't be happy about.




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VIDEO: Arpaio's lead investigator talks Obama birth certificate with ABC15
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Old 07-22-2012, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Inland Empire, Calif
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Everything starts out slow just like Watergate did before it went national. The Maricopa Sheriff's Departments investigation has awaken a lot of people on this subject and this issue is gaining traction. Radio talk shows are highly interested interviewing the investigators of this case iand news sources are realizing this polarizing issue is a very important. The Maricopa Sheriffs Departments lead investigator was invited by ABC to explain more on how Obama's birth certificate is a forgery. It is very compelling. The interview was very good and balanced. Actually, precisely what a reporter should be asking of the materials presented in the Maricopa County Sheriff Departments press conference they gave on July 17th. The 6 minute report you are about to watch is something the White House can't be happy about.
Don't care where the pr!ck was born, just want him gone from office before he finishes the destruction of the country...
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Old 07-22-2012, 01:46 PM
 
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Don't care where the pr!ck was born, just want him gone from office before he finishes the destruction of the country...
Well I agree there. If this was investigated from the get go, most likely he would have been out of office by now.
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