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Old 11-18-2012, 04:06 PM
 
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Not only that; the EPA was established by a Republican.

Food prices are going up because of drought, not the EPA.
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I think you mean the Nixon Right Wing Fanatical EPA.
nixon, while a republican, was hardly a right winger. in fact he was quite liberal.
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Old 11-18-2012, 04:21 PM
 
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Ethanol would be fine if there was a engine to burn it.. There isn't and that ethanol doesn't do a thing to help any part of get up and go a bit. it IS a 10% waste of pounds and storage of them in the gas tank, costs us 10% miles per gallon and robs us of 10% power, and increases chances of getting water in the gas because it attracts moisture.

It is better to park with a full tank than 1/2 tank since there is less surface area to attract water from thin air. This is what causes gas to go bad in small engine like lawnmowers.

Ethanol is terrible on 2 stokes like chain saws and other engines where oil must be added to the fuel by one means or another.

If the EPA does come out with laws for 15% ethanol we the people will be engine less. There are no engines that can pass that fuel and do anything but break up.

At this point there are no engines and no one is working on making any that I am aware of, and if the 15% does come out any engines you have will be junk if you try to run them on 15%.

The EPA should be disbanded, those people need to go get jobs in the real world and stop trying to beat the laws of nature.

They are about as good at engineering as a bunch of 4 year olds, but probably the 4 years olds would do a better job of it.
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Old 11-18-2012, 04:31 PM
 
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nixon, while a republican, was hardly a right winger. in fact he was quite liberal.
This left/right dichotomy is wearing thin. Most people, along with just about all presidents (Nixon and Obama included) are moderate.
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Old 11-18-2012, 04:33 PM
 
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Ethanol would be fine if there was a engine to burn it.. There isn't and that ethanol doesn't do a thing to help any part of get up and go a bit. it IS a 10% waste of pounds and storage of them in the gas tank, costs us 10% miles per gallon and robs us of 10% power, and increases chances of getting water in the gas because it attracts moisture.

It is better to park with a full tank than 1/2 tank since there is less surface area to attract water from thin air. This is what causes gas to go bad in small engine like lawnmowers.

Ethanol is terrible on 2 stokes like chain saws and other engines where oil must be added to the fuel by one means or another.

If the EPA does come out with laws for 15% ethanol we the people will be engine less. There are no engines that can pass that fuel and do anything but break up.

At this point there are no engines and no one is working on making any that I am aware of, and if the 15% does come out any engines you have will be junk if you try to run them on 15%.

The EPA should be disbanded, those people need to go get jobs in the real world and stop trying to beat the laws of nature.

They are about as good at engineering as a bunch of 4 year olds, but probably the 4 years olds would do a better job of it.
Engineering? NASA employs engineers, not the EPA.
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Old 11-18-2012, 04:49 PM
 
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Just remember, corn makes our gas prices cheaper so imagine how high they would be if there was no corn in the gas.
No it does not, ethanol is more per galllon and has less BTU's per gallon to boot. The only reason it's used is becsue it's mandated by law it has to be used.
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Old 11-18-2012, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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EPA basically to the country----let them eat cake!!!


EPA rejects bid to relax ethanol mandate | The Detroit News | detroitnews.com
Running a 10% ethanol rate for the fuel everyone puts into cars keeps gasoline prices down.

Just quit paying farmers not to plant fields.
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Old 11-18-2012, 04:59 PM
 
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Running a 10% ethanol rate for the fuel everyone puts into cars keeps gasoline prices down.

Just quit paying farmers not to plant fields.
Why arent you taking into consideration the cost of the subsidies or rising food prices?
This is money taken right out of taxpayers pockets.
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:01 PM
 
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Engineering? NASA employs engineers, not the EPA.
What? Are you out of your gourd? Why wouldn't the EPA employ engineers? Have you ever met an engineer before? Do you know engineers come in all sorts of flavors, fields, and varieties?
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:06 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Why arent you taking into consideration the cost of the subsidies or rising food prices?
This is money taken right out of taxpayers pockets.
I think it is taken into consideration by various branches/peoples within the government and they've made rulings based on those considerations which may or may not prove to be good. On the side of corn ethanol, I'm of the opinion that the regulations are wrong since even with heavily GMO'd corn (another hairy issue of its own) tailored towards producing corn ethanol, the conversion simply isn't very efficient. It would only make some sense if gasoline prices were to spike uncontrollably and yet our fertilizer and farming practices require little in petrochemicals which is simply untrue. Corn ethanol is mostly giant corporate lobbying for these things, and while I'm not against the concept of subsidies, I think this subsidy is not the way to go given our current and potential returns.
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Why arent you taking into consideration the cost of the subsidies or rising food prices?
This is money taken right out of taxpayers pockets.
Like I said, we pay farmers about 2 billion dollars a year not to farm perfectly good farm land.

Let them farm it, save the taxpayer money, and let them sale that corn at profit. Puts more corn out of that 34 million acres, keeps food prices down, and has enough ethanol for keeping gasoline prices down.

Win/Win
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