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View Poll Results: Do you support an executive order to ban assault weapons? If not, would you protest the order in def
Yes, I support an executive order to ban assault weapons 68 32.54%
No, I do not support an executive order to ban assault weapons 51 24.40%
No, I do not support an executive order and will protest Obama's signature if he signs one 90 43.06%
Voters: 209. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-27-2012, 07:20 AM
 
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Is such an executive order even legal?
When has that mattered?
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Old 12-27-2012, 07:21 AM
 
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The 5.56 or .223 is also a popular varment round. I am so amused by the press when they say that the 5.56 was selected due to its lethality. LOL
The concept of the 5.56mm round was maximum casualties and less lethality, the theory being that it took four of the enemy out of the fight to take care of a wounded man. They changed the hand grenade from lethal fragments to BBs and wire splinters at the same time for the same reason.
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Old 12-27-2012, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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When has that mattered?
Actually a lot, Obama hasn't pass any illegal executive orders and the use of executive orders is within his power as president.
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Old 12-27-2012, 09:21 AM
 
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There seems to be a confusion on this thread about gun control and the average American. When people are calling for a ban on guns, they are calling for a ban on the types of guns that have been used in mass murders because those are the stories that make news across the country. These guns are also not the gun of choice by the random gun violence that happens across the country daily.

People in thr country are more interested in banning guns that are used in mass murders, not ban gums that are used in all murders.
The problem with the AWB, is that the "types" being chosen are based on vague "scariness" and not on a logical characteristic like range, power of the ammunition, or mayhem.
The US Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachinegun and rifle cartridges.”

Politicians defined the assault weapon as a semiautomatic firearm with the ability to accept a detachable magazine and two or more of the following:
■ a folding or telescoping stock
■ a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon
■ a bayonet mount
■ a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor
■ a grenade launcher
So a stock that can be adjusted for small boned women or big men is "MILITARY"? Or suited to "mass murderers"? A pistol grip is menacing HOW? A bayonet mount is suited to mass murder HOW? A flash suppressor (which is NOT a silencer / suppressor) is dangerous HOW? A grenade launcher without grenades is menacing HOW?
In fact most disarmament fringers do not know the difference between automatic and semi-automatic, and military versus "looks like military" weaponry. (There are AR-15 clones that fire .22LR that would be banned as an "assault weapon"! But a non-scary semi-auto .22LR is legal !?)
Furthermore, it is an incremental step in total disarmament, and a violation of a right. Once a right is subject to be diminished, what stops the next diminishment?
Mob rule and popularity contests make sense for a democracy, but we're promised a republican form of government, in Art. 4, Sec. 4, USCON.

FEAR drives the dialogue - not logic.
And disarming the victim, even partially, only benefits the predator, who will still do harm, armed or not.
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Old 12-27-2012, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The problem with the AWB, is that the "types" being chosen are based on vague "scariness" and not on a logical characteristic like range, power of the ammunition, or mayhem.
The US Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachinegun and rifle cartridges.”

Politicians defined the assault weapon as a semiautomatic firearm with the ability to accept a detachable magazine and two or more of the following:
■ a folding or telescoping stock
■ a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon
■ a bayonet mount
■ a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor
■ a grenade launcher
So a stock that can be adjusted for small boned women or big men is "MILITARY"? Or suited to "mass murderers"? A pistol grip is menacing HOW? A bayonet mount is suited to mass murder HOW? A flash suppressor (which is NOT a silencer / suppressor) is dangerous HOW? A grenade launcher without grenades is menacing HOW?
In fact most disarmament fringers do not know the difference between automatic and semi-automatic, and military versus "looks like military" weaponry. (There are AR-15 clones that fire .22LR that would be banned as an "assault weapon"! But a non-scary semi-auto .22LR is legal !?)
Furthermore, it is an incremental step in total disarmament, and a violation of a right. Once a right is subject to be diminished, what stops the next diminishment?
Mob rule and popularity contests make sense for a democracy, but we're promised a republican form of government, in Art. 4, Sec. 4, USCON.

FEAR drives the dialogue - not logic.
And disarming the victim, even partially, only benefits the predator, who will still do harm, armed or not.
You are over thinking this. Take all the mass murders (and the murders that have gotten national attention) over the past 10 years, look at the guns that they used and the clips they were using and then you would have the list I am talking about when I say your average American. People want to see them from getting a hold of the type of guns they are using, beyond that most people don't care about gun violence unless it happens to them or in their own community.
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Old 12-27-2012, 10:40 AM
 
Location: 77441
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To those who vote no, you all have blood on your hands.

What if it was your child in Newtown?


seriously ?

you really need to pack your garbage bag and move to mexico.

you're okay with setting the precident of letting POTUS superceed the constitition ?


just so you'll know, a EO cannot legally override the Constitution. period.
it doesnt mean the idiot wont try, but it wont stand legal scrutiny.
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Old 12-27-2012, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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seriously ?

you really need to pack your garbage bag and move to mexico.

you're okay with setting the precident of letting POTUS superceed the constitition ?


just so you'll know, a EO cannot legally override the Constitution. period.
it doesnt mean the idiot wont try, but it wont stand legal scrutiny.
Has he tried yet? Has he mentioned he was going to do an EO to ban assault weapons? The only place I have heard anyone mention using an EO to ban assault weapons has been on here.
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Old 12-27-2012, 10:46 AM
 
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Question for the Democrats/liberals here.

Do you support Obama signing an executive order to ban assault weapons, even though it means we will not have a say?

If not, will you protest the executive order in defense of your fellow American's right to have a fighting chance regardless of your stance?

I think this is an important question.

Thanks
We already had a ban on assault weapons, it was allowed to expire....unfortunately.
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Old 12-27-2012, 10:48 AM
 
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Old 12-27-2012, 10:48 AM
 
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Has he tried yet? Has he mentioned he was going to do an EO to ban assault weapons? The only place I have heard anyone mention using an EO to ban assault weapons has been on here.
"I will use whatever power this office holds"

Couldn"t be more clear than that.

If he dosen't use one then he is a liar but that has already been established over the last four years so it's nothing new.
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