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Originally Posted by RogersParkGuy
Oh, nuts to his religious views!
Any religion that teaches it is okay to hate and practice discrimination doesn't deserve respect. It is long past time decent, intelligent secularists got in the faces of religious fanatics like this.
As always, the left lies - which is why I despise the left - liars, hypocrites, keyhole peekers, dictators (ve vill contrlol all azpects of yor life)
How do you know who or what he hates or doesn't hate?
My daughter told me she has decided she is gay - you think I hate her?
Probably you do because your too stupid to realize someone can disapprove and not support behavior they believe is not appropriate and still love that person. I'm not even upset about it, I'm slightly bemused and believe as she ages, she will eventually grow up and grow out of it as I personally believe in that aspect of her life she is making poor choices.
But you try to label something hate so you can somehow justify behavior you know is sick and perverted and feel good about it while it makes a mockery of marriage and family.
It was Bush that argued he could throw citizens in prison and discard their due process rights. It was McCain under Bush that said he could stop you when you said nasty things he didn't like about him.
You have entirely mischaracterized the legislation of which you speak.
McCain under Bush? I will have to verify what you have cited, but assuming that it is true, and if McCain still feels the same way, doesn't that mean that McCain under Obama thinks that way?
Hint - the Senate is separate from the executive branch.
You have entirely mischaracterized the legislation of which you speak.
O.K. I'm listening as to how.
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McCain under Bush? I will have to verify what you have cited, but assuming that it is true, and if McCain still feels the same way, doesn't that mean that McCain under Obama thinks that way?
Yes, I have no use for him under either. But the actions were taken under Bush.
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Hint - the Senate is separate from the executive branch.
Let's take a different hypothetical example. Should a black owned bakery be forced to bake a cake for a KKK rally. Should a Jewish owned caterer be forced by law to cater a dinner for a Nazi rally. You can't equate discrimination of blacks as the same as discrimination against gay people. Black is a inherit characteristic in some people based on their genetic code inherited from their parents. Homosexuality is behavior/philosophy. That's two different things.
Because a private business is free to refuse content. So if the lesbian couple said they wanted a cake decorated with an image of Ellen DeGeneres driving a Subaru the bakery owner is well within his rights to say he doesn't make cakes because he finds Subaru's to be overrated vehicles that offend his sense of style. He cannot however refuse to make any cake because of the couple's sexual orientation. That is part of who they are, not what they like, and the people of Oregon have decided that sexual orientation cannot be discriminated against any more than religion or race.
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And if slavery isn't taking 2/3 rds of your income in taxes, then I don't know what slavery is. I'd love to hear what someone who thinks that's not slavery is a fair tax?
So where do you draw a line...Lets say a couple went to a Jewish baker and requested that he bake a cake with Hitler's photo...And he refused...should he be forced to bake that cake...
That depends, does the baker make Hitler cakes for anyone else? If they made Hitler cakes for couple A, but not for couple B that would be discrimination against couple B.
This baker makes wedding cakes for couple A, but not couple B that is discrimination against couple B.
If the baker did not make Hitler cakes/wedding cakes for anyone, then providing that service is not required based on the law in the state. Since he does, he is required to make them for anyone.
You really can't paint all liberals in one broad stroke of the brush. I consider myself "liberal" on social issues. But with that said, I feel that the couple would have been better off just leaving the bakery and going elsewhere.
There are hundreds of reasons people are judged and discriminated for. Too short, too big, wrong color skin, wrong neighborhood, wrong schooling, low income, high income, you name it. We will never as a society regulate all of those judgments. Sometimes you have to pick you battles, and move on. I seriously doubt this couple would have been any more worse the wear had they just gone elsewhere and let this man with his belief (although I don't agree personally) have his beliefs and if he loses business, that's on him.
We can't have government regulate every thought and judgment in every case. This was a cake, not an oxygen tank. Perspective.
I'm lookiing forward to the case where two well known local redneck outlaw bikers plan a wedding with their club members in the woods and are refused service by the local gay florist. The bikers sue the florist and win, because this case set the precedent. Due to the high cost of litigation, the florist will lose their business which will be taken over by the bikers, who will have to explain to their friends the distinction between pansies and daisies.
What he doesn't have is the right to discriminate against people based on religion or sexual orientation.
If he is in a state or locality that forbids discrimination in business dealings he could be very well breaking the law.
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