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Old 03-28-2013, 04:39 AM
 
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Its like saying which kid do I need. If you have one you need that one, if you have ten you need all ten.
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Old 03-28-2013, 07:07 AM
 
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Also what does god or some fictional book have to do with a secular matter?
I stated early on that I support allowing gays to marry but I have to get a chuckle out of this. Nowhere in the Constitution is there a call for a separation of church and state.
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Old 03-28-2013, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Texas
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That's nice and all, but for the kids in question it isn't about the difference being raised by mixed-gender parents vs. same-gender parents. It's the difference between growing up with parents of any gender combination or being raised by a foster system.
I'd argue that some kids are better off in a Foster family (they are vetted, and investigated before having children placed in the home) than living with a drugged out mom and an absent baby daddy, who had no investigation or background check. All they had to do to get a baby is stick it in the right hole once.
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Old 03-28-2013, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Land of Thought and Flow
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What would children choose if given a choice? A mom and a dad, two dads or two moms? Grandparents and aunts and uncles are capable or loving children and raising them too but if you gave them a choice, which would they choose?
I'm pretty sure that if you talked to foster children that have been dumped from household to household, they're only looking for someone who will take them in permanently.

If I had a choice between growing up with both of my parents together or being raised by my dad solo, I'd still pick my dad solo. Would haven chosen a gay couple or family members vice having my parents together.
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Old 03-28-2013, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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That is a crock. A father is defintely a role model for a girl as it sets her standards for what she should expect and demand from other men that come into her life.
Totally agree!!

I grew up in the typical nuclear family with a married mom and dad and if it weren't for my father, I have no idea where I'd be right now.

My mom, while physically present was nasty, spiteful, unattached and emotionally avoidant. What she taught me was to lie, steal, use people to get what you want and to physically assault when needed.

It was my father that taught me what a lady should look like, how to speak correctly and carry myself with dignity, it was he that encouraged me to go to school, save money, be positive and explore the world. He was 10x the parent she was.

Ultimately, I believe the genders of the parent do not matter, its the quality of the parenting that makes all the difference.
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Old 03-28-2013, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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My wife died almost 13 years ago. At the time, my 4 kids ranged in age from 7 to 15 years old. I never re-married and raised them on my own. They've all turned out fine, I'm very proud of them. I will admit, it wasn't easy.
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Old 03-28-2013, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Sperm + an egg = a family. Where is the problem?
That is how a human is made, not how a family is formed.
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Old 03-28-2013, 09:44 AM
 
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I'd argue that some kids are better off in a Foster family (they are vetted, and investigated before having children placed in the home) than living with a drugged out mom and an absent baby daddy, who had no investigation or background check. All they had to do to get a baby is stick it in the right hole once.
Absolutely. But I take it we also agree that the same kids would be be better off being adopted and raised in a steady, permanent family setting - single parent, a mixed-gender couple or a same-sex couple.
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Old 03-28-2013, 09:54 AM
 
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You're right about that. There is a clause written in there though. It goes something like this:
To argue that the government can't create laws based upon a singular religious belief is indeed different than what was originally claimed.

I agree with that.
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Old 03-28-2013, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Absolute BS, my fiancee's dad did a great job raising his two daughters and son without their mom around.
So it is your opinion that this child doesn't need the Mom.
At least we have someone answering the question now.
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