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You mention a verse where a man strikes a woman which caused her to miscarry, but that is not "abortion" since the stiking of the woman was clearly not done in order to abort the baby. It is unintentional killing aka manslaugher, whereas abortion is murder in the 1st degree.
And the other verse you refer to a verse talking about the "value" of a person between years of 1 - 5 of age. Are you saying that murdering a child 1-5 years old is OK? You fail to see the verse is not talking about killing the child, it is talking about the value of a person when the person's life is dedicated to the service of God.
LOL.....did they have those distinctions in those days.....manslaughter vs 1st degree?
What they did say is......when a fetus is killed it is not an "eye for an eye".....a life for a life.....because a fetus is not considered a person. The compensation for the death of a fetus was not the life of another person......it was monetary payment....in those days......a goat or a few chickens. You PAY for the fetus....just like you PAY when you damage a piece of property.....if you wreck my car....you do not pay with your life.....you pay with money.....because a car is not a person.....and neither is a fetus.
We are not talking about 1 - 5 year olds.....they are people, they were counted as a person in the census.
We are talking about fetuses.....who were not counted as a person then, just as they are not counted as a person now.....because they are not persons.....they are fetuses.
LOL.....did they have those distinctions in those days.....manslaughter vs 1st degree?
Yes, the very books you quoted from prove it. Read Numbers 35. It talks about killing with no intent to kill, vs killing with intent to kill.
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What they did say is......when a fetus is killed it is not an "eye for an eye".....a life for a life.....because a fetus is not considered a person. The compensation for the death of a fetus was not the life of another person......it was monetary payment....in those days......a goat or a few chickens. You PAY for the fetus....just like you PAY when you damage a piece of property.....if you wreck my car....you do not pay with your life.....you pay with money.....because a car is not a person.....and neither is a fetus.
It is clearly talking about unintended miscarriage as a result of striking the mother. There are not examples of an actual abortion where the sole intent is to murder the baby in the mothers womb. That is what abortion clinics do today. Their sole intent is to murder the baby without causing harm to the mother.
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We are not talking about 1 month to 5 year olds.....they are people, they were counted as a person in the census.
It actually spells out 1-5 year olds.
You quoted Leviticus 27:6. It is talking about the value ot people whose lives have been dedicated to the service of the Lord.
‘If anyone makes a special vow to dedicate a person to the Lord by giving the equivalent value, 3 set the value of a male between the ages of twenty and sixty at fifty shekels of silver, according to the sanctuary shekel; 4 for a female, set her value at thirty shekels; 5 for a person between the ages of five and twenty, set the value of a male at twenty shekels and of a female at ten shekels; 6 for a person between one month and five years, set the value of a male at five shekels of silver
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Yes, the very books you quoted from prove it. Read Numbers 35. It talks about killing with no intent to kill, vs killing with intent to kill.
It is clearly talking about unintended miscarriage as a result of striking the mother. There are not examples of an actual abortion where the sole intent is to murder the baby in the mothers womb. That is what abortion clinics do today. Their sole intent is to murder the baby without causing harm to the mother.
It actually spells out 1-5 year olds.
You quoted Leviticus 27:6. It is talking about the value ot people whose lives have been dedicated to the service of the Lord.
‘If anyone makes a special vow to dedicate a person to the Lord by giving the equivalent value, 3 set the value of a male between the ages of twenty and sixty at fifty shekels of silver, according to the sanctuary shekel; 4 for a female, set her value at thirty shekels; 5 for a person between the ages of five and twenty, set the value of a male at twenty shekels and of a female at ten shekels; 6 for a person between one month and five years, set the value of a male at five shekels of silver
And in all cases these are EX UTERO not foetuses. Once again Abortion is legal which means it is not murder.
Where did I say that? Wouldn't it be better if they didn't get pregnant in the first place? Why do Scandinavians have so few unwanted pregnancies? Hint, it has nothing to do with religion.
No, nor does it have religious idiots thrwarting sex education, easily accessible birth control and abortion.
I know a little about this, my friend works for the Norwegian health council and speaks frequently at EU and WHO conferences.
Once they get pregnant, it's none of your business.
Just like it's none of your business what goes on before pregnancy.
Your words, not mine.
The reich wing fetus fetishist mantra: Fetus fine; you're born, good luck sucka!
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The Bible says God knits people together in the mothers womb, so the thing you call a fetus, is actually a person God is in process of delivering.
I'm still waiting for you to provide some proof of this god thing you keep yammering about.
You want to force pregnancies on unwilling women just because your made up deity says so.
Think about that, it's insane.
That was David talking to GOD, not God talking to David. Moreover the word 'foetus' is the correct technical term for a human at that stage of development.
Got any proof of this god thingie?
I keep asking, but get no response.
Why is that, I ask.
Why? Because both abortion and gay marriage are legal issues and religious beliefs have no weight when deciding legal matters.
Perhaps true. However, some of these same people try to use Jesus to make their points on things like social justice, taxes, and even some how gay marriage. Pelosi is guilty of this.
And the religious aspect of it, for those that claim to be a follower of a Christian faith, and support abortion....they have no idea what it means to be a Christian. Belief in abortion and Christianity just do not go together. To think that God would look down and smile and agree with abortion is pure insanity and sick.
There is no mention of abortion in the Bible other than one in Leviticus where it makes it clear that it is to be dealt with by fine rather than the lex talionis.
Evidently, you don't know your bible very well. If a woman was suspected of cheating on her husband, she was instructed to go to a priest to induce a miscarriage.
Are you saying we should apply the same standard today?
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