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Old 04-08-2013, 05:51 AM
 
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Can we conclude from the map that Republican states have a higher murder rate?

Statistically, maybe but you can find instances where GOP/Demo states that are vastly white with low murder rates. So safety and crime seem to strictly follow another qualifier....
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Old 04-08-2013, 07:17 AM
 
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This is a non-copyrighted map patched together from public information and a Wikipedia blank outline:

This is the entire reported murder rate, not just firearm homicides. I don't think we can actually draw many correlations between gun laws and the overall murder rate from this, except to note that states with loose gun laws are not necessarily doing well in the murder rankings, and states with more restrictions are not necessarily doing well, either. There seem to be other factors at work here.

Also, congrats to Canada for having the lowest national murder rate of any independent nation in all of the Americas, from Tierra del Fuego to the ice cap.
Thanks for the map tablemtn.

Here's an interesting interactive map that let's you click on a state and get the details of firearm related crime. It also gives you the percentage of violent crime that is firearm related in each state. It's interactive, so I can't post the map, but here's the link:

US gun crime map: interactive | News | guardian.co.uk

In only two states, Louisiana and Illinois, more than 80 % of homicides involved firearms. In other states it tends to average around 68 % and tends to be higher for the eastern half of the U.S. than the west.
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Old 04-08-2013, 11:10 AM
 
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Unfortunately (for you) these numbers come from FBI
I understand that California and Illinois (aka Obamastan) turn on the "hate-o-meter" of conservatives and so-called libertarians, but let's face it: red states are more violent.
P.S. you should love most liberal democratic "hellholes": without them, USA economy would be actually less strong.
Not necessarily. North Dakota, South Dakota, Idaho, Utah, and Montana are red states and they aren't particularly violent states.
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Old 04-08-2013, 11:18 AM
 
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Thanks for the map tablemtn.

Here's an interesting interactive map that let's you click on a state and get the details of firearm related crime. It also gives you the percentage of violent crime that is firearm related in each state. It's interactive, so I can't post the map, but here's the link:

US gun crime map: interactive | News | guardian.co.uk

In only two states, Louisiana and Illinois, more than 80 % of homicides involved firearms. In other states it tends to average around 68 % and tends to be higher for the eastern half of the U.S. than the west.
What I get from the map is that gun laws really don't matter all that much. Louisiana has lax gun laws and Illinois has stringent gun laws. Chicago in particular has stringent gun laws, and it has so many murders. California, in the far west, ranks rather high in gun crimes, and it has some strict gun laws. South Dakota ranks particularly low on the list of gun crimes, and it has lax gun laws.

My assessment is this. Guns laws might be a correlation, but now a causation.

My theory is that culture could play a part in this.
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Old 04-08-2013, 11:19 AM
 
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Statistically, maybe but you can find instances where GOP/Demo states that are vastly white with low murder rates. So safety and crime seem to strictly follow another qualifier....
Then explain Hawaii.
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Old 04-08-2013, 11:24 AM
 
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Then explain Hawaii.

It is self-explanatory.
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Old 04-08-2013, 11:40 AM
 
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They have large impoverished pockets combined with areas of excessive wealth. There is little in the way of middle class.
And there are some other things to consider as well.

Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands are high-traffic drug routes.

http://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/...MA-2011(U).pdf

Same with the Bahamas

United States aware of smuggling route via Bahamas - Lead Stories - Jamaica Gleaner - Tuesday | May 22, 2012


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Old 04-08-2013, 11:52 AM
 
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Why would Vermont and New Hampshire, states rife with gun toting conservatives, and at least one lonely liberal, have rates lower the CANADA?
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Old 04-08-2013, 12:07 PM
 
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Why would Vermont and New Hampshire, states rife with gun toting conservatives, and at least one lonely liberal, have rates lower the CANADA?
I would say culture has alot to do with it.
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Old 04-08-2013, 07:40 PM
 
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Clearly, we can conclude that the states with higher murder rates are the very same states that have higher murder rates.
I think that is a safe bet Andywire... makes sense unless you are a PC gun grabber then it won't.
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