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One lawyer won't be enough for an adequate defense for this young man - and if he doesn't have an adequate defense then the legitamacy of any conviction will come into question.
Is that what you want?
Frankly, if he admitted doing what he did, and there is surveillance video
proving such as well, it's a pretty cut and dry case to me.
I'll be even franker.
Let's not have to wait 6 years to put him to death like we did Tim McVeigh.
In an ideal world, the cooperation on fighting terrorism would work smoothly. In reality, Russia is run by what was the KGB. They, like our CIA, are very protective of their intelligence methodology which could be deciphered simply from the kind of information shared.
The reality is, any such "cooperation" is a pipe dream born of a complete misunderstanding of geopolitics and the long historically established pattern of governments using terrorism to foment internal strife in other countries perceived to be enemies through the use of such terrorism, created and funded by it's covert intelligence assets. Russia, and the former Soviet block are equally guilty of that as anyone, yet, a careful accounting of such tactics would show that the United States and Israel have honed this to a fine art form, while the general population of both countries remain totally clueless to the dark underbelly of these unadvertised operations.
And as sad as it makes me to say so, our government in the USA may be the most egregious perpetrators of such covert destabilizing operations, in conjunction with elements of the international banking cartel, who systematically have overthrown countless democratically elected governments in central America, Southeast Asia, the Balkans, and the Middle East. The even sadder reality is, at no time in the history of the United States has our conduct of such unacceptable behavior come close to the levels we've seen since the turn of the century, all of it under the pretext of the "War on Terror" for which September 11, 2001 was utilized to justify such preemptive acts of aggression around the world.
The major difference between what we see today, versus what was routine practice from WW II forward is that these covert destabilizing actions were isolated and used against foreign targets to advance foreign policy initiatives. A fundamental shift in that philosophy was taking shape in the early 1990's, to which this new direction was outlined in the 1998 publication "Project for A New American Century" (PNAC), which discusses this shift from using US Military dominance for strictly defensive purposes, to more aggressive, preemptive strategies to establish full spectrum, global dominance in light of the collapse of the Soviet Union. In that PNAC document, it specifically discusses the slow and difficult process of facilitating a shift in public acceptance of such a dramatic change in US posture, without some type of catalyzing event, such as a "New Pearl Harbor" to help accomplish that shift more rapidly. Three years later, that very event occurred on September 11. 2001.
Since that time, we have witnessed a rapid acceleration in the dismantling of old ideologies that were the fundamental psychology and ideological heart of America, shifting from the defenders of freedom, to the aggressors, engaging in unprovoked military action, invasion, and occupation of other nations both directly, and through more covert means which we've seen take place in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Egypt, virtually encircling the primary target, Iran.
This new militant foreign policy posture has also been married to the very transparent and obvious shift in domestic policy, and the use of terrorism and fear of terrorism to bypass and ignore civil liberties and constitutional prohibitions that protect the public from tyrannical government. These constitutional protections are now out the window entirely, as any reference to such is now pure rhetoric, as proven by such Orwellian type legislative actions such as the "Patriot Act" and the "National Defense Authorization Act", which renders those constitutional protections null and void, for all practical purposes.
This psychological shift of public perception couldn't be more overt as demonstrated by the open debates which have justified the value of such thoroughly un-American concepts as torture, indefinite detention, direct violations of pose comitatus, and even direct championing of political assassinations by decree of the President. The psychological conditioning of the public has unbelievably ingrained an attitude of thinking lawless government is not only acceptable, but is as it has always been, while nothing could be further from the truth.
If one had the ability to travel back in time, you would not have to go very far at all ... say the 1970's to prove this shift has indeed occurred. If you were to announce in the 1970's to the general public that in the year 2001, federal agents would be strip searching citizens as a condition of travel in the nation's airports; if you were to tell them that laws have been established to arrest American citizens without warrant or charge, and deny them the fundamental rights of due process and habeas corpus; if you were to tell them that the President has an assassination list, which includes American Citizens with laws allowing them to be murdered by simple decree that they are enemies of the state; if you were to tell them that the President can unilaterally decide to engage in foreign conflict without so much as consulting with congress, you'd be laughed at and labeled a lunatic. However, today, in 2013, simply pointing out these truths, with the insinuation that they are wrong and unacceptable, is labeled a mental disorder. Such political malcontents are labeled "truthers" and "birthers" and "Conspiracy Theorists" and "Deniers" by an element of the public that no longer possesses the capacity for rational thought. These people are metal zombies who believe that up=down, torture=good, war=peace, and tyrannical authoritarianism is as American as baseball and apple pie. And, to even attempt to reason with these mind controlled nitwits is as useless as arguing with an intoxicated drunkard, as no spoken word stands any chance of sobering them up.
The good news is, these types, however significant and startling their numbers might be, are still a significant minority. That they have been convinced that they represent populist consensus is just another of the illusions they operate under, created by a controlled media who only broadcasts the desired messages. The "silent majority" is better defined as the majority whose voices go unheard through mainstream channels, but their existence is undeniable, when every time one of our political hack traitors even mentions the term "gun control" spawns another huge spike in firearms sales.
This explains why Homeland Security and other federal agencies have purchased 1.8 Billion rounds of hollow point ammunition, 20,000 drone aircraft, and thousands of armored police vehicles. Who poses the big threat to which such a stockpiling of weapons and ammunition seems a necessary move? Canada? Mexico? These preparations are the overt signs of an anticipated war with the American public, though no measures can be taken at this stage to ensure the safety of these despots who are attempting to enslave the nation. They are destined to fail .. are failing miserably as we speak, which explains the massive acceleration of such operations like we've just witnessed in the virtual marshall law imposed in Boston under the absurd pretext of searching for a 19 year old kid, who along with his brother got mixed up in this deadly game of domestic terrorism and inside jobs. They had to be convicted in the court of public opinion, then silenced to maintain the lie.
That's where we are, right here and right now. Battle lines are forming ... preparations are under way, and the "stuff" is situated very close to the fan, unless these despots are forced to back down in the face of large scale civil disobedience by a silent majority who must soon become vocal and loud.
Frankly, if he admitted doing what he did, and there is surveillance video
proving such as well, it's a pretty cut and dry case to me.
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Originally Posted by pollyrobin
I'll be even franker.
Let's not have to wait 6 years to put him to death like we did Tim McVeigh.
That doesn't matter.
We live in a nation of laws where people have the right to require the government to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
If Tsarnaev has or does plead not guilty, then that is what will be done.
If you were accused of a crime, would you dismiss the assignation of public defenders to you as overkill - and agree that summary execution should take place?
If one had the ability to travel back in time, you would not have to go very far at all ... say the 1970's to prove this shift has indeed occurred. If you were to announce in the 1970's to the general public that in the year 2001, federal agents would be strip searching citizens as a condition of travel in the nation's airports; if you were to tell them that laws have been established to arrest American citizens without warrant or charge, and deny them the fundamental rights of due process and habeas corpus; if you were to tell them that the President has an assassination list, which includes American Citizens with laws allowing them to be murdered by simple decree that they are enemies of the state; if you were to tell them that the President can unilaterally decide to engage in foreign conflict without so much as consulting with congress, you'd be laughed at and labeled a lunatic. However, today, in 2013, simply pointing out these truths, with the insinuation that they are wrong and unacceptable, is labeled a mental disorder. Such political malcontents are labeled "truthers" and "birthers" and "Conspiracy Theorists" and "Deniers" by an element of the public that no longer possesses the capacity for rational thought. These people are metal zombies who believe that up=down, torture=good, war=peace, and tyrannical authoritarianism is as American as baseball and apple pie. And, to even attempt to reason with these mind controlled nitwits is as useless as arguing with an intoxicated drunkard, as no spoken word stands any chance of sobering them up.
The lawyer appointed is apparently well renowned. Don't you read your own links.
And reminder, it is our money that pays those salaries.
How many average citizens get "a team of lawyers".
I'm as disgusted by the overkill of the price tag for the unabomber;
50M over 8 years. Obscene when you think about it.
There has to be an end to the insanity of a financial bottomless pit for the defense of
POS.
Yes, indeed, the attorney which was appointed to this case, has a good reputation and is very experienced. AND she is still an employee of the Office of the Fed Public Defender. That Public Defender appoints an attorney in his/her office to be the lead attorney in each case, as was done here.
You know "my" taxpayer money funds the Fed PROSECUTORS too, and I'm not complaining. Federal and State public defenders get less funding than state and fed prosecutors. If YOU want to try to make a difference in defense funding, then run for political office and try to do that. In the meantime, it is what it is, and I fully support my taxes funding defense.......after all, WHAT ELSE so directly thwarts an OVER-POWERFUL STATE?
"Average citizens" do get legal teams, especially in capital cases. The number of people required to represent a case depends upon the complexity and the degree of felony.
We live in a nation of laws where people have the right to require the government to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
If Tsarnaev has or does plead not guilty, then that is what will be done.
If you were accused of a crime, would you dismiss the assignation of public defenders to you as overkill - and agree that summary execution should take place?
Hint - we don't live in North Korea.
Actually, if I was a bomber who stated I did what I did because I
didn't like what this country has done, I would have the conviction to
dismiss assignation of a public defender. I would represent myself.
But then, this is a POS who cowardly killed innocent people, and
maimed countless more.
Hint - there are consequences to our actions.
BTW, we didn't need th NK spin here.
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