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Not important what I think or do, for this discussion, though I guess you could say I'm "sweet". One persistent mistake in understanding me, is that I advocate women acting sweetly as if it were morally good. Not at all, people are different, hallelujah. I'm saying that even the appearance of sweetness is a turn on for men, not on the level of logic, but more on the primitive level like the flash of a thigh or of a nipple.
It's the same with women, who can think of relationships more rationally but generally get turned a bit on by the appearance of confidence and competence.
It's actually quite pertinent to the discussion how you yourself behave. If your outlook is that everyone should be sweet to everyone, it could be easily understood that you would seek everyone to be kind and gentle to everyone, and it would not be a fetish thing.
I think there's a HUGE difference, by the way, between the fetish we're discussing and sexual experimentation in the bedroom. For example, men and women might enjoy playacting being victim and aggressor, being tied up by the other during sex, either of them acting submissive or dominant, while in their relationship outside the bedroom doors, they're quite dynamic, strong, assertive, and incredibly self-confident.
I am quite convinced that the whole mail order bride/far eastern asian submission thing is very much an emotional need of the male, and is associated with the male in question not having much self-confidence compared with other men.
There are quite a number of Youtube videos in which Asian women describe why they prefer White men.
"Asian" women like white men, black men, but mostly they like "Asian" men. Again, the stereotype is promoted mostly by white men, and not all white men, just the white men with the fetish of needing a submissive female, who sincerely want to believe that "Asian" females are submissive and will make them feel more manly than they feel normally.
That's not just china, American men don't want whores either and who can blame them. American men are extremely picky about finding a good women. I've seen and heard it all, dudes will leave their wife of 10 years if she had numerous sexual encounters in high school.
I think modern day feminism has made lots of American men soft, insecure and fragile mentality.
American women have it hard when it comes to finding a good man, money isn't everything.. lots of bitter men out there.
Yes, I've noticed this with my online dating experiences. And when did men become so overly sensitive about crap? Say one wrong thing or do one off thing & that's it, they're done. It's ridiculous, especially considering how much BS behavior I put up with with certain men.
That's a very good point. Even men who want submissive wives, do not want daughters who are submissive, so they (the fathers) teach their daughters NOT to submit to men, thereby creating the next generation of very independent women who will take no sh*t from men.
Take no s*** from men. Hmm, by the same rote, should a father then teach his son to back down from women? To alway defer to a womans judgement and way of things? Being as I learned the hard way that being the "nice guy" is a path to personal Hell, I have taught my son not to take s***from women. To be his own man, and to stick by his convictions. Not to be afraid to speak his mind, and stand by his principals. I won't see him go through what I did, giving 20 years of his life, working like a dog, with zero mutual respect.
No, he wont get trapped, the way I did, because of a misguided sense of being a gentleman, and what that actually means. Feminism has destroyed the male/female relationship. Preaching equality, and practicing domination, with refusal to submit bringing on the pain. Living under threats of your life being destroyed, constantly badgered to do "better" with no respect or gratitude when you do so. Just an EXPECTATION, to do even more.
It has been said, on this thread, that there are a lot of bitter men out there. Sad, but true. I can't blame them. Being bitter is never a good thing, but, with the things that many men endure, it's easy to get that way. Better to be able to see the signs of women like this, and move on before the claws can come out. Mutual respect, mutual gratitude, acceptance of shortcomings, with gentle guidance to help overcome them, love. This is the makings of a good relationship. Neither men nor women should need to worry about "putting up"or or not, withs***".
Your post, on the surface, seems to advocate a female mindset of "the hell with what a MAN tbinks and feels. I ain't putting up with ANY MANS s***"!!!. Nice. That is not strength, thats just, straight up, disrespect, out of hand. And folks wonder what makes so many men bitter.
Great points!! The males that are obsessed with the far eastern look fetish, do not view these women as human beings. You noticed the thing about how they love to clean, to serve, to be "sweet," to smile, yada yada. Like animatronics dolls, that's how they view them.
I have a theory (one which is of course, untested - as I am not a polling company). I hope people don't go getting all offended, but I'm going to be perfectly up front about it. Here it goes.
I believe that men who seek submissive females as above ^^^ are themselves QUITE unmasculine and wimpy. Let me explain. Every time I have seen a photo of a male who got a mail order bride, or I see one of those males on TV (and one in person), they strike me as not very fit, and/or not very self-confident, and/or wimpy, and absolutely give off an air of someone who's been pushed around a lot his whole life. I think this might also apply to males who seek submissive females universally (not just the ones who seek them through mail order brides). I'm not trying to be cruel, but I'm thinking these men are so wimpy and helpless themselves, that the only way they could feel manly, is by having a female that completely subjugates herself. Lastly, I think the stereotype of the far eastern looking female being submissive is propelled by these wimpy males. It's a sort of hope, longing, wish, desire, to have a female so subjugated, that she could make them feel like men, and so they keep the stereotype going.
It's called "Stepford Wives". Ever see the original film? That's what it comes down to.
It's called "Stepford Wives". Ever see the original film? That's what it comes down to.
Lmao!! Do you remember how The Stepford Wives ended? Read the book before I saw the movie. And there are two movies. I thought that there was a moral to that story, correct me if I am in error.
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Originally Posted by Saritaschihuahua
It's actually quite pertinent to the discussion how you yourself behave. If your outlook is that everyone should be sweet to everyone, it could be easily understood that you would seek everyone to be kind and gentle to everyone, and it would not be a fetish thing.
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It IS a "fetish" thing to some extent. I don't have the outlook that everyone should be gentle to everyone, it's good for society to have a mix of personality types.
What men look for specifically in foreign wives from a distance is that they're low-hanging fruit, and that such women will look up to the man as a sort of savior, a knight in shining white armor. That's emotionally very important to some men ...... not the submission, but to be looked at as a hero.
"Asian" women like white men, black men, but mostly they like "Asian" men. Again, the stereotype is promoted mostly by white men, and not all white men, just the white men with the fetish of needing a submissive female, who sincerely want to believe that "Asian" females are submissive and will make them feel more manly than they feel normally.
Asian women disproportionately like white men though. I think it was OKcupid Trends or Pew research that came out with the study, but for whatever reason Asian women preferred white men to the exclusion of everybody else. It doesn't seem to be a question of why do white men like Asian women, but one of why do Asian women like white men.
Money is fetishized by all women....that's why men hoard it
LOL...like they always say....
"Behind ever rich man is a woman willing to put up with a lot of sh*t."
What you said is exactly what i don't get about the whole "gold digger" thing. Dudes go out and hoard all the dough they can to but things that impress females, but get angry that the broads are all money hungry.
That has never made any goddamn sense to me. The main dudes doing the complaining are the ones quickest to trick dough on these broads.
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Originally Posted by LovingSummer2013
In my opinion, Asian women would be far better off getting an Asian American man, since on average, they are educated, great providers and very family oriented.
That's being ridiculously simplistic. A lot more goes into choosing a mate than that. Asian women are just like any other woman of any race. They don't just want security, they want someone that they're highly attracted to and all the excitement that goes along with that.
Unfortunately, we're media/celebrity driven, and the image/depiction of the Asian male in our society does them no favors. They themselves complain that they're portrayed as effeminate and bookish. I gotta pretty much agree with that.
But i'll be the first to admit that i don't quite understand the whole Asian female/white male thing...but i don't see it as a big deal. I'm sure though that if i was an Asian male, i might find it somewhat distressing.
I have the luxury of being a black male, so i can't relate.
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