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Old 05-10-2013, 07:28 PM
 
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In other words, the video is claiming that we can't sell US debt because there's no more "people" that want it - which is pure nonsense.

Ken
There might still be a market for US securities, but the system crashes without an ever-increasing base. That, my friend, is NOT a good model. (you know damn well what this type of model is called, when it's not the federal government, too)
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Old 05-10-2013, 07:29 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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I guess long-term investing isn't your game? That's ok, not everyone has the patience and vision for it.
I've had investments for 25 years or so - I just stay away from gold and commodities in general. It's wayyyyyy to volitile for me - and long term it's performed VERY POORLY.

Ken
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Old 05-10-2013, 07:33 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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There might still be a market for US securities, but the system crashes without an ever-increasing base. That, my friend, is NOT a good model. (you know damn well what this type of model is called, when it's not the federal government, too)
The deficit is on the way down. If it continues to shrink the way it has in the last few years, it will soon be gone and the US will be running a surplus.

Ken
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Old 05-10-2013, 11:14 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The thing with gold, you don't gain or lose worth.

As the dollar gains strength and commodities lower in price so does gold.

The same amount of gold in 1928, that it took to buy a gallon of gas, a gallon of milk, or a loaf of bread, it takes today.


They get you and tax you by making you use and bank dollar bills
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Old 05-11-2013, 04:47 AM
 
Location: North America
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OK, let me RE-PHRASE it to EXACTLY what the video said: "...It's such a huge amount of money, that Uncle Sam is starting to out of people to borrow from..." - 1 minute, 10 seconds into the video.

In other words, the video is claiming that we can't sell US debt because there's no more "people" that want it - which is pure nonsense.

Ken
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"...It's such a huge amount of money, that Uncle Sam is starting to out of people to borrow from..."
If you're going to quote the narrator then at least get the quote straight. You didn't do that TWICE.

And, by the way, what the narrator ACTUALLY said was true. When you start running out of people to dump IOUs on then you must hold them yourself:

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Old 05-11-2013, 04:57 AM
 
Location: North America
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The deficit is on the way down. If it continues to shrink the way it has in the last few years, it will soon be gone and the US will be running a surplus.

Ken
Sorry but a $10 billion surplus with $20 TRILLION in debt and $1 TRILLION in annual interest payments is not good for America no matter what His Royal Highness Krugman says.
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Old 05-11-2013, 11:43 AM
 
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The gold bugs will be around to tell you that gold is the only constant in the equation, and that it's in fact everything else that fluctuates.
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The thing with gold, you don't gain or lose worth.

As the dollar gains strength and commodities lower in price so does gold.

The same amount of gold in 1928, that it took to buy a gallon of gas, a gallon of milk, or a loaf of bread, it takes today.


They get you and tax you by making you use and bank dollar bills
Called it!
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Old 05-11-2013, 12:10 PM
 
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I traded my labor for Federal Reserve Stocks, but they all got burnt up in bread, butter and gasoline.
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Old 05-11-2013, 12:59 PM
 
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Au contraire, Ken

I have been at this for 25 years and do not invest for the short term.

I invest anywhere from 5-10% of net wealth in gold. That is held in the form of American Eagles and Maple Leafs. The rest in in other investments ranging from bonds. stocks, real-estate, and other business ventures. Currently (with the exception of 401Ks), I am out of the stock and bond market. My kids are "all in".


At this point, I do not need any "home runs"and just take profits when I have enough. Preservation of capital is the key to maintaining wealth. Staying 100% invested in the stock market at all times (this is not the 1940s-2000) is not a wise move.
Actually, this approach is commonly recommended.
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Old 05-11-2013, 01:27 PM
 
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...They seem to foolishly believe that when it all collapses their gold will be worth what they paid for it. LOL.
...or that they'll even be able to get their hands on it.
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