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Religion is and has always been open to gay people. Just because you have an attraction to the same sex does not mean you have to act on it. I may have an attraction to your spouse but I don't have to act on it.
My spouse is a woman, would that make you gay and denying yourself of happiness?
The archaeological dating of the destruction of Bab edh-Dhra and Numeira is about 2300 B.C.E
Obviously they've been happily misinterpretting (same as editing) for nearly 4500 years.
Just to be clear, I'm not piling on. I'm just pointing out a few facts and verses that are nearly always ignored. You can continue blindly on your merry way, or concede there is some merit to the argument.
Did the archaeological records also determine the reason that a town was destroyed?
You can't use the bible to prove the bible is true, so was there a big sign with the reason written?
Many towns have been destroyed by volcanoes, or floods, or earthquakes, but not one has has a definitive "sin" linked as the cause of the natural disaster, or war that destroyed it.
[SIZE=3]The writings of the New Testament do not deal explicitly with the subject of homosexuality. There are references to it, but these are quite rare, all being limited to the Pauline Epistles. The most logical explanation for this fact lies not in a permissive attitude towards the matter, but in the fact that homosexuality had already been condemned by Jewish tradition, to which all the early Christian writers are basically indebted, and that similarly in the Greek world it was censured by the predominant Stoic philosophy as contrary to nature.
Thus, in the context of the first century, Philo of Alexandria, who is the leading exponent of Hellenistic Judaism, in his treatises repeatedly criticizes sodomy and pederasty as "illicit relations" (On Abraham 135) and those that practice them as "enemies of nature" (Special Laws 3:36); in the same way the Stoic philosopher Musonius Rufus defines homosexuality as "against nature" (Diatribe 12), while the Roman historian Tacitus speaks openly of the "degeneration of youth" with reference to its practice during the time of Nero (Annals 14, 20, 4). The New Testament therefore did not have any particular battle to fight on this front, needing only to align itself with the positions current in the cultural world of the first century. What was new, if anything, as invariably happens in an ethical discussion, were the reasons given for urging its avoidance.[/SIZE]
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Originally Posted by steven_h The archaeological dating of the destruction of Bab edh-Dhra and Numeira is about 2300 B.C.E
Obviously they've been happily misinterpretting (same as editing) for nearly 4500 years.
Just to be clear, I'm not piling on. I'm just pointing out a few facts and verses that are nearly always ignored. You can continue blindly on your merry way, or concede there is some merit to the argument.
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Originally Posted by jjrose
Did the archaeological records also determine the reason that a town was destroyed?
You can't use the bible to prove the bible is true, so was there a big sign with the reason written?
Many towns have been destroyed by volcanoes, or floods, or earthquakes, but not one has has a definitive "sin" linked as the cause of the natural disaster, or war that destroyed it.
If the cities existed, then the Torah and OT are given credibility. If it's credible, it could be true. Can you prove it isn't? The burden rests on you to prove it's false, not me to prove it's true.
As I said, you're free to stroll down the merry path, it is of no consequence to me.
Originally Posted by steven_h The archaeological dating of the destruction of Bab edh-Dhra and Numeira is about 2300 B.C.E
Obviously they've been happily misinterpretting (same as editing) for nearly 4500 years.
Just to be clear, I'm not piling on. I'm just pointing out a few facts and verses that are nearly always ignored. You can continue blindly on your merry way, or concede there is some merit to the argument.
I used archeology to prove the cities existed. If the cities existed, then the Torah and OT are given credibility. If it's credible, it could be true. Can you prove it isn't? The burden rests on you to prove it's false, not me to prove it's true.
As I said, you're free to stroll down the merry path, it is of no consequence to me.
And 221 Baker st actually exists. Does that mean that Sherlock Holmes is true?
New Orleans exists too. Does that mean that there really are vampires?
Mt Olympus is real too, that proves the existence of Zeus. Right?
All good fiction has a little truth to it.
Also, I'm not the one saying it is true, you can't prove a negative. But I guess you believe in unicorns since there is no proof that they don't exist.
He didn't create Gay. The people made a choice. Just like everyone makes a lifestyle choice.
So why the hell do people choose to be gay? Before reaching that decision did they try out straight sex and decided it stunk?
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