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Am I the only one who is a bit bored if not irritated by the sheepish unison demands of totally irrelevant foreign ministers that Egypt be peaceful and democratic? It is their country. If they want a civil war there, it is their business and theirs alone. Wtf does Egypt care what a total ******* like Germany's Westerwelle (even gay, as if that gave him any credentials down there ) wants Egypt to be like?!
It's more about neo- cons, libs and general ignorance of the world. I said during the Arab Spring best to keep Mubarak in power. Democracy in Egypt means Muslim Brotherhood. I mean this wasn;t a secret. Heck Amy Chua of Tiger Mom fame wrote about this in a book ten years ago.
Mubarak was a dictator, but also a solid ally for US for a long time, but forcing him to stay power when Egypt demanded free elections was not an option. It did not matter who was in power in US, because you wont find any US president, past or present who would stand up against free elections. No one in DC made any serious arguments to keep Mobarak in power. How could you do that after preaching democracy to the world for 200+ years? The only option was to allow the elections and hope for the best. Well, we didn't get the best, so we supported a coup.
Now the challenge is the US law which prohibits US supporting countries where a coup has taken place, so we might have to tell them to speed up the process for next elections, or they will either have to cut the aid, or aid them under the table.
Mubarak was a dictator, but also a solid ally for US for a long time, but forcing him to stay power when Egypt demanded free elections was not an option. It did not matter who was in power in US, because you wont find any US president, past or present who would stand up against free elections. No one in DC made any serious arguments to keep Mobarak in power. How could you do that after preaching democracy to the world for 200+ years? The only option was to allow the elections and hope for the best. Well, we didn't get the best, so we supported a coup.
Now the challenge is the US law which prohibits US supporting countries where a coup has taken place, so we might have to tell them to speed up the process for next elections, or they will either have to cut the aid, or aid them under the table.
I honestly doubt there are "free elections" in these countries.
We backed the Brotherhood and Morsi while publicly airing "caution".
We straddled the fence for a year. We kept silent when Morsi allowed the killings of the Christians and did nothing when it was found out the military even participated. Our own State Dept doesn't list Egypt as a place of concern regarding religious freedom.
We have done no good to the people of a country when we step in to "bring democracy".
They end up in chaos and extremism.
Former Chief Justice of the Egyptian Supreme Constitutional Court, Adly Mansour
They suspect the future leader will be El Baradei. He was the guy who ran against Morsi, and who US wanted to win, but Morsi won the elections. IMO the CIA will see to it that he will be the next leader, and the next ally for US.
SSU: Again, America has invested a lot of time and money into this. Ever since 2007, America knew that former President Mubarak was dying of cancer. There was even a New York Times article in 2007 talking about who would be his replacement. Since 2008, they would have young Egyptians coming to America, go to the State Department, meet at the time Condoleezza Rice and others, and learn how to use modern technology to start an uprising in Egypt.
So this uprising from the very start was aided by the United States and one of the favorite horses in the race has been and continues to be [Nobel Peace Prize winner and opposition leader] Mohammed ElBaradei. He is the one who actually met with the military to remove Morsi.
A military coup is not how it works.
If they didn't like Morsi then elect another leader next time round.
What happened was a military coup, plain and simple.
And I'd wager that it was the US calling the shots for the Egyptian military as we own them lock, stock and barrel.
Seems like you condone what they did.
What if that happened here ? What if there was a majority that wanted Obama out before his term was over and the military sided with them and drove Obama out of the WH ?
And no, I'm not posing a strawman here but a valid question regarding the laws of Democracy.
You either follow them or you don't.
The WH will not call this a coup. Congress is meeting over this because a military coup demands that the US cut off all funding to that country when their democratically elected leader is deposed.
What a joke. Do you think someone waved a wand when Egypt became a democracy and poof - magically the Egyptians were fully versed in what you refer to as "the laws of democracy"?
Do you really expect a country that has existed under the control of rulers and dictators throughout its history, and now for the first time in its history, is a democracy for a year, should know how democracy works? Under Morsi the Egyptian people didn't even get a taste of democracy and lost more to him in the one year he was President.
The people and the military took the only route they knew throughout their history which was a military coup. They have yet to learn how a democratic government works and implement democracy. If they can hold onto their democracy it will take them years to get it right. You seem to think that because they are a democracy that they should have known better. In time they will, but that won't happen overnight.
As for cutting military aid, America can't afford to take that risk, and if they do, Egypt will survive and thrive, and the US will suffer the consequences. You don't seem to understand who has the leverage. Egypt isn't concerned about losing $1.5 billion in military money from the US when Saudi Arabia is ready to double that number, and other wealthy Arab countries will follow suit to support Egypt and the people. Arab countries are not too thrilled over Obama's interference and support for the Muslim Brotherhood.
What a joke. Do you think someone waved a wand when Egypt became a democracy and poof - magically the Egyptians were fully versed in what you refer to as "the laws of democracy"?
Good Lord..that is exactly what the US wants everyone to think.
We step in to "promote democracy". In reality we step in to replace one hand picked dictator with another.
Obama and the CIA screwed up and Morsi won.
Did you forget that LaHood had to pay to get his son out of Egypt after Morsi won ?
They won't let it happen again.
Good Lord..that is exactly what the US wants everyone to think.
We step in to "promote democracy". In reality we step in to replace one hand picked dictator with another.
Obama and the CIA screwed up and Morsi won.
They won't let it happen again.
There is only so much you can to to influence the outcome of elections. Remember how we pushed for free elections in Palestine, and when we got out wish, they put HAMAS in power, and then we had to support their opponents FATAH, who are also terrorists.
Why don't we just stay out of their business altogether? It is none of our business whom the Palestinians or Egyptians vote into office, and if/how they get rid of them again. What would we in the West do if, say, India tried to manipulate our elections?
A military coup is not how it works.
If they didn't like Morsi then elect another leader next time round.
What happened was a military coup, plain and simple.
And I'd wager that it was the US calling the shots for the Egyptian military as we own them lock, stock and barrel.
Seems like you condone what they did.
What if that happened here ? What if there was a majority that wanted Obama out before his term was over and the military sided with them and drove Obama out of the WH ?
And no, I'm not posing a strawman here but a valid question regarding the laws of Democracy.
You either follow them or you don't.
The WH will not call this a coup. Congress is meeting over this because a military coup demands that the US cut off all funding to that country when their democratically elected leader is deposed.
Such hypocrites .. What makes a Muslim leader supposedly "elected" better than a General who the people support? There is no such thing as democracy that is fully and fairly democratic...The majority is always wrong. The deposed democratically elected leader made no attempt to install or perpetuate the slow spawning of democracy...Did Obama and the boys really think that the Brotherhood...was going to be if supported by America a western style democracy instantly? Not likely - If they did they are utter fools.
Who ever the people want in power is who the USA should support. THAT would be closer to the idea of democracy - whether elected or not.
Egyptians in the streets are carrying signs stating that Obama is an idiot....How could they not think this when a standing President attempts to bribe the Brotherhood who hate America...what fool would give material support to terrorists?
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