Bang, Bang: 67 people have been shot in Chicago since Wednesday

[quigboto]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper 88

How exactly would you define what being a "gang member" is in order to make it unlawful? I could see some dangerous precedents being set with such legislation. For instance, are the groups of teenage boys who hang out in the park after school smoking cigarettes in their Leather jackets and looking intimidating considered a "gang" If they pose no threat, should be make the act of their congregating illegal? What about the local motorcycle gang who ride together on Saturdays? Are they considered a "gang" and hence have "gang members"???

Making the soleact of being a "gang member" would pose far too many challengers to civil liberties. We could just say that any group of people who get together and commit crimes should be made illegal, but then again, I'm pretty sure it already is.....

I agree with this to a great degree, especially the way that it can be potentially abused, but if we can classify "terrorist groups" can't we classify "criminal gangs" to differentiate between a club, a clique and a criminal gang?

[WhipperSnapper 88]

Originally Posted by quigboto

I agree with this to a great degree, especially the way that it can be potentially abused, but if we can classify "terrorist groups" can't we classify "criminal gangs" to differentiate between a club, a clique and a criminal gang?

Maybe so, but how? What factors would determine if it were a gang or a club or just a group of people hanging out? What factors would determine when it crosses that line { the entire gang, not just rogue members } from being legal to illegal?

I'm sure it can be done, it's the potential for abuse that worries me. We all have a Constitutional Right to congregate, and that is something that can't be infringed upon.

[Mac_Muz]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper 88

Tax/fine the hell outa you. I was listening to the radio one day on my lunch break and they were talking about this. The guy said that his accountant informed him that as of next year, if he didn't have health insurance, X amount was what he was going to pay as a "fine" when he did his tax returns. It was something like $1,800. His accountant said that if in the following year he still was uninsured, that amount was going to double.

I don't know how true this is, but he said it happened.

I believe it because the IRS is supposed to be handling all of this.

Basically, the only way you aren't paying into the Obamacare machine, is if you either have a private insurer which will eventually be put out of business by Obamacare, have no income, or get paid under the table.



They're lazy. They admit that taking care of the gang problem in this country would be very hard and complex, so the easier thing to do is just blame the gun. What kills me is that they admit it within their posts, either inadvertently or willfully, they admit it.

They can fine and tax the hell out me then. I will do it just like Obama does... pay later, sometime after my demise IMO Obama owes us 17 trillion bucks. I see that as it's his turn to pay up.

I expect the first installments as soon as he gets back from playing gold in Africa.

i didn't mind the $100,000 trip until i found out he was coming BACK

[NoJiveMan]

Originally Posted by parfleche

It went over the top a long time ago nobody can afford to obey our millions of laws anymore,look at obamacare the employers get a break while millions of people who owe nothing and paid cash pay a fine for not using an Obama approved third party who will steal your premiums as you will never meet the deductible anyway. Who the heck elected this IDIOT anyway the leeches?You want to see people break the law look at obamacare,except for all the union supporters and doners who got waivers. this Country is beyond saving want my fine come get it Obama thugs.and I spelled it with a small o but it would not and cant print it that way WOW.I'm in trouble now