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Old 07-10-2013, 08:56 AM
 
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Yes, I understand that Zimmerman is entitled to the best defense possible. However, the animation and Root's testimony are largely based on Zimmerman's stories. It seems questionable that they have to rely on evidence that comes from a source that is purely self-serving. It reminds me of the days when a female could be raped, and if she brought charges against the offender she'd be subject to questions about how she usually dressed, how often did she have sex, etc. If your defense case is strong, it wouldn't be necessary to try to assassinate the character of the victim.

If the States case was strong, they wouldn't have a problem with evidence that showed Martin participated in fights.

 
Old 07-10-2013, 08:56 AM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX USA
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Yes, I understand that Zimmerman is entitled to the best defense possible. However, the animation and Root's testimony are largely based on Zimmerman's stories. It seems questionable that they have to rely on evidence that comes from a source that is purely self-serving. It reminds me of the days when a female could be raped, and if she brought charges against the offender she'd be subject to questions about how she usually dressed, how often did she have sex, etc. If your defense case is strong, it wouldn't be necessary to try to assassinate the character of the victim.

What else could they possible base it on? There is only one side of the store here, so that is what they have to go with. Whiteness/story's are all biased based off of what side they are testifying for. You dont think Dee Dee's testimony was biased and self serving?
 
Old 07-10-2013, 08:57 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Root says close-range gunshot by GZ doesn't show ill-will, hatred, spite toward TM.

Root says it's best to take general statement from shooter early, then give delay before detailed statement.
How on earth can he say that about someone he's never met?
 
Old 07-10-2013, 08:57 AM
 
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So what? He's dead.
I'm aware of that, I'm pretty sure everyone else here is aware of that as well.
 
Old 07-10-2013, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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He should work for a hospital where he can diagnosis people purely on how they look in a photo. That could save a lot of testing and money.
He could join forces with so-called Dr. Rao.

What a pair!!!
 
Old 07-10-2013, 08:58 AM
 
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Excellent points you make today. If I might add, anyone in any neighborhood that sees someone they think looks out of place or suspicious? I don't personally think it's prudent to go over and introduce yourself and try to engage in smalltalk.

If I had seen TM that night, a darker and rainy night, I would have stayed in my vehicle and on the call. It's a big world out there, and an unpredictable one. Some unsuspecting neighborhood watch person some night, may do exactly what GZ did that night. Better to wait for law enforcement rather than test out how lucky you are that night. A crowbar in the face would suck, as would a bullet.

I just hope this incident doesn't make others that are also "fed up" any braver.
At 7 p.m. at night, if I'd seen Trayvon in my condo complex, I would have done absolutely nothing. I've seen kids in hoodies before....Now maybe someone skulking around at 4 a.m., different story.

In fact, any time I saw new unknown teens in my complex, I'd usually wave at them and they always waved back. I'm friendly.
 
Old 07-10-2013, 08:59 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Good discussion of legal concealled carry right now. Particularly when it's OK to draw a gun, carry with a round in the chamber and how IWB holsters are common.
Yes, because it just makes George's story that Martin saw the gun that much less believable. It was concealed inside of his pants, under his jacket in the back he was supposedly laying on.
 
Old 07-10-2013, 08:59 AM
 
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How on earth can he say that about someone he's never met?
Yet you believe the opposite of someone you never met
 
Old 07-10-2013, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Yes, I understand that Zimmerman is entitled to the best defense possible. However, the animation and Root's testimony are largely based on Zimmerman's stories. It seems questionable that they have to rely on evidence that comes from a source that is purely self-serving. It reminds me of the days when a female could be raped, and if she brought charges against the offender she'd be subject to questions about how she usually dressed, how often did she have sex, etc. If your defense case is strong, it wouldn't be necessary to try to assassinate the character of the victim.

Just what does that have to do with this case?

Again, it's the defense attorney's job to get his client off. And this animation is a useful way to summarize their version of events in a way that the jury can see and understand, perhaps putting themselves in the defendant's position. Why would they not use that tool?

Flip side, why didn't (or doesn't) the prosecution, with their virtually unlimited resources, do the same? Put together an animation showing their version of events, based upon the testimony they would like to "promote" or have make an impression with the jury? Could it be that they couldn't put together an animation that fit their version of events? Or what story would they like to present?

Honestly, I really look forward to it. Put it together "real time" with overlays of the various NEN and 911 calls. It would go a long way to clairify the timeline vs the actual distances and locations we're talking about.
 
Old 07-10-2013, 09:02 AM
 
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Ut Oh...Witness states George's frustrations expressed by fing punks, a--holes does not express ill will, malice or intent....Just George's frustrations about all the "others that got away"

Love the Prosecutor questions so far!!
Wasn't other options in approaching the state in the same way??? So, He could have gone either way??
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