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I am not defending O'Reilly. In fact I think he is a big blowhard. What gets me is when one talks about people like him that race bait but don't acknowledge the race baiters on their own side. I never assumed that you yourself support Jackson, Sharpton etc. Just making note of the hypocricy.
My point was that I was talking about O'Reilly himself, and it seems like there is some dodging regarding what I said. People talk about Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton on this forum all the time.
Actually, I believe you have it wrong. The problem is that many people, like myself, feel that Bill O'Reilly is merely someone who is trying to inflame more resentment towards Blacks. He isn't saying this stuff because he cares about Blacks. He's a shock jockey. I believe he is only saying that stuff because he's angry, and wants other people to be angry at Blacks. It is more like a "see, that guy is saying that, so it must be true that Black people are violent".
Why does someone have to care about Black people to point out the high levels of Black crime? Crime affects all Americans and when a particular group commits such high levels of crime, it's stupid to expect that no one should be able to talk about it unless that person is some advocate for Black people.
And it is true that Blacks commit an enormous amount of crime. Black crime levels are high enough to bring cities to their knees. Look at Detroit, Camden, Flint, Gary and so on for examples.
Why does someone have to care about Black people to point out the high levels of Black crime? Crime affects all Americans and when a particular group commits such high levels of crime, it's stupid to expect that no one should be able to talk about it unless that person is some advocate for Black people.
And it is true that Blacks commit an enormous amount of crime. Black crime levels are high enough to bring cities to their knees. Look at Detroit, Camden, Flint, Gary and so on for examples.
Don't mean to go off topic here but here is another example of people in denial of the truth. Most illegal aliens are Hispanics. The majority of Hispanic-Americans are defenders of them just because they share and ethnicity. But if you dare point out those two truths you get called a racist.
Why does someone have to care about Black people to point out the high levels of Black crime? Crime affects all Americans and when a particular group commits such high levels of crime, it's stupid to expect that no one should be able to talk about it unless that person is some advocate for Black people.
And it is true that Blacks commit an enormous amount of crime. Black crime levels are high enough to bring cities to their knees. Look at Detroit, Camden, Flint, Gary and so on for examples.
Because if a person is saying things out of anger towards Black people, then why should I listen? The thing is, alot of people only discuss Black crime because of their own anger towards Blacks. Bill Cosby speaks of it because he doesn't want to see Black people descend into chaos. Bill O'Reilly(at least in my judgement), doesn't care. He is inflaming resentment towards Blacks. Why would I want to have a discussion with someone who resents me? Give me one reason.
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And consider this. Atlanta has had alot of Black crime. It isn't on its knees. DC is in much better condition than Detroit is. Detroit had an issue with putting all of its eggs in one basket as far as economics goes, not to mention a corrupt government.
What we should do is stop comparing the black versus white crime rates and concentrate on the children from single parent homes versus children from two parent homes crime rate. Then we need to take actions to reduce the number of children born into unstable families and/or work to stabilize families.
I don't believe there is a criminal gene. Kids, especially boys, need a father. It does not matter what color the kids are.
Because if a person is saying things out of anger towards Black people, then why should I listen? The thing is, alot of people only discuss Black crime because of their own anger towards Blacks. Bill Cosby speaks of it because he doesn't want to see Black people descend into chaos. Bill O'Reilly(at least in my judgement), doesn't care. He is inflaming resentment towards Blacks. Why would I want to have a discussion with someone who resents me? Give me one reason.
Is Bill O'Reilly trying to have a discussion with you? What he has done is push some known information out to the broader public. This has started some well needed discussion among that same public. Sure, this type of topic gets discussed to death on places like C-D, but it has generally been a somewhat taboo topic in the mainstream. Problems can't be fixed until they are first acknowledged. Whether Bill O'Reilly cares about Black people or not is irrelevant. If you care about Black people then you should welcome the discussion.
Is Bill O'Reilly trying to have a discussion with you? What he has done is push some known information out to the broader public. This has started some well needed discussion among that same public. Sure, this type of topic gets discussed to death on places like C-D, but it has generally been a somewhat taboo topic in the mainstream. Problems can't be fixed until they are first acknowledged. Whether Bill O'Reilly cares about Black people or is irrelevant. If you care about Black people then you should welcome the discussion.
I care about Black people. I also care about WHY Bill O'Reilly said what he said and why he said it when he did. If anyone really cared at all, this would have been brought up when Derrion Albert was murdered by gang members in Chicago. No one brought it up then. Why now? Bill Cosby and Michael Nutter(both Philadelphia natives) have acknowledged this problem, and you know what? There are many that listen. Do you know why? It is about WHY the subject was brought up. Michael Nutter brought up the issue of crime in the Black community when flash mob violence was taking place. He was not working on behalf of a political pundit. I could tell in his eyes that he really did care about the people he was talking about. With Bill O'Reilly, all I see from him is resentment. I care about WHY a subject is brought up. A discussion is important, but if the one reason it is being brought up is out of resentment, then there is a problem. If I feel like someone is only saying something out of resentment and anger towards Blacks, then I will be on the defensive mode, perceiving anything else as an attack. This is FOX News. I don't trust anything anyone on that show says. I want someone who is working independently, who isn't working on behalf of a RWNJ or a LWNJ.
Discussing the problem hasn't solved much. We've discussed the problem over and over. Various people have brought it up. Even Jesse Jackson has brought it up. What we need is action.
I care about Black people. I also care about WHY Bill O'Reilly said what he said and why he said it when he did. If anyone really cared at all, this would have been brought up when Derrion Albert was murdered by gang members in Chicago. No one brought it up then. Why now? Bill Cosby and Michael Nutter(both Philadelphia natives) have acknowledged this problem, and you know what? There are many that listen. Do you know why? It is about WHY the subject was brought up. Michael Nutter brought up the issue of crime in the Black community when flash mob violence was taking place. He was not working on behalf of a political pundit. I could tell in his eyes that he really did care about the people he was talking about. With Bill O'Reilly, all I see from him is resentment. I care about WHY a subject is brought up. A discussion is important, but if the one reason it is being brought up is out of resentment, then there is a problem. If I feel like someone is only saying something out of resentment and anger towards Blacks, then I will be on the defensive mode, perceiving anything else as an attack. This is FOX News. I don't trust anything anyone on that show says. I want someone who is working independently, who isn't working on behalf of a RWNJ or a LWNJ.
Discussing the problem hasn't solved much. We've discussed the problem over and over. Various people have brought it up. Even Jesse Jackson has brought it up. What we need is action.
Bill O'Reilly brought up the issues with Black crime as a response to the massive amounts of disingenuous outrage over the George Zimmerman acquittal. There's the "why" for you. With as much time as you spend discussing these issues, I don't know how could you begin to act as if you didn't know that. But maybe for you, it's just because you don't like the fact he has shined such a bright light on the dysfunction that goes on in Black communities? Frankly, people have gotten sick of the one sided discussion with regards to race, where Blacks and their allies control the terms of the debate. The fact that Bill O'Reilly has been able to raise these points and make headlines with it will only make this issue more acceptable for public discourse. You should get used to seeing more people, even some politicians, discuss these issues.
Bill O'Reilly brought up the issues with Black crime as a response to the massive amounts of disingenuous outrage over the George Zimmerman acquittal. There's the "why" for you. With as much time as you spend discussing these issues, I don't know how could you begin to act as if you didn't know that. But maybe for you, it's just because you don't like the fact he has shined such a bright light on the dysfunction that goes on in Black communities? Frankly, people have gotten sick of the one sided discussion with regards to race, where Blacks and their allies control the terms of the debate. The fact that Bill O'Reilly has been able to raise these points and make headlines with it will only make this issue more acceptable for public discourse. You should get used to seeing more people, even some politicians, discuss these issues.
Well, if that is the case, then I would rather hear Bill Cosby say it. At least I know the reason he says it is for things to be for the better. Bill Cosby brought this stuff up long before George Zimmerman. Bill Cosby was already talking about this stuff. It is Bill O'Reilly I have a problem with. He is working on behalf of RWNJ's. Bill Cosby is independent. My problem is with Bill O'Reilly. Perhaps I want to have the debate controlled because there are too many people angry at Blacks, and it is those who resent and are angry at Black people that I want to keep out of the discussion, because they bring nothing but anger.
For me, it is not only about WHAT you say, but HOW you say it, WHEN you say it, and WHY you say it. If the only reason Bill O'Reilly says this stuff is to "expose Black people", then the only thing that will do is alienate Black people. Why would I want to have a conversation with someone whose motive is to embarrass me?
Well, if that is the case, then I would rather hear Bill Cosby say it. At least I know the reason he says it is for things to be for the better. Bill Cosby brought this stuff up long before George Zimmerman. Bill Cosby was already talking about this stuff. It is Bill O'Reilly I have a problem with. He is working on behalf of RWNJ's. Bill Cosby is independent. My problem is with Bill O'Reilly. Perhaps I want to have the debate controlled because there are too many people angry at Blacks, and it is those who resent and are angry at Black people that I want to keep out of the discussion, because they bring nothing but anger.
For me, it is not only about WHAT you say, but HOW you say it, WHEN you say it, and WHY you say it. If the only reason Bill O'Reilly says this stuff is to "expose Black people", then the only thing that will do is alienate Black people. Why would I want to have a conversation with someone whose motive is to embarrass me?
Well, there you have it. It's all about feelings. About the tone. Damn, the facts if they aren't presented in a sympathetic way. Your position is not unique, but rarely do I see someone be so honest about his motivation to control the discussion.
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