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Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA
You need to call the DA in Whereveitwas, Texas, and inform him/her of your superior understanding of law, because our trigger-happy shopowner is being charged with murder.
2 a**holes. The shoplifter, and the vigilante.
It's called having a sense of proportion. The 2nd amendment says nothing about summary execution of shoplifters. I don't think it was left out by mistake. Do you?
Although the US Constitution does not specifically mention the "execution of shoplifters", your characterization is better put by stating "the defense of property and livelihood". Texas had to arrest him and charge him, but that does not mean he will be convicted. Whether the business owner comes out in a better place after all this (he could be whacked by fellow gang-members) is besides the point. Everyone has a right to defend themselves, their loved ones, and their property. That beer - whether priceless or not - was his property and a portion of what constitutes his livelihood. If this becomes acceptable, then so does other forms of thievery such as car theft, jewelry theft, and move it up to white collar crimes. No civilized society can exist when thievery is allowed to go relatively unpunished. The security of property (whether land, home, car, or even your food-stuffs) is an absolute necessity to any civilization.
Although the US Constitution does not specifically mention the "execution of shoplifters", your characterization is better put by stating "the defense of property and livelihood".
Yeah, his livelihood was clearly at risk.
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Texas had to arrest him and charge him, but that does not mean he will be convicted.
Well, it IS Texas.
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Whether the business owner comes out in a better place after all this (he could be whacked by fellow gang-members) is besides the point.
He could spend a considerable time in jail.
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Everyone has a right to defend themselves, their loved ones, and their property.
With proportionate force. If a pre-schooler sets about you armed with a rubber duck, you're not entitled to use deadly force.
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That beer - whether priceless or not - was his property and a portion of what constitutes his livelihood. If this becomes acceptable...
Who the hell argued that it was acceptable? It's the justification for deadly force we're talking about.
Location: In a Galaxy far, far away called Germany
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The leap to a pre-schooler attacking you with a rubber duck is quite extreme. Deadly (or the potential for the outcome to be deadly) force is the only option for an owner. Fighting with him puts the defender of property at physical risk and just allowing the thief to leave and go thru the useless call to the police so they can file a report and do nothing (in their defense, they have bigger fish to fry) is not really an option as the message quickly spreads and your business now has a bull's eye on it. The logical progression of events (from that point) leads to a loss of livelihood. This loss will resonate throughout communities and others will suffer for it. Thieves don't stop stealing just because one business goes out of business. The problem is the thief. It starts and ends with them. If the police want to file charges, then they should file charges against themselves for doing nothing and thus, aiding and abetting in crime. Shooting a thief is harsh, but it is far more of a harsh thing on the community when you do little to stop the thieves.
The leap to a pre-schooler attacking you with a rubber duck is quite extreme. Deadly (or the potential for the outcome to be deadly) force is the only option for an owner. Fighting with him puts the defender of property at physical risk and just allowing the thief to leave and go thru the useless call to the police so they can file a report and do nothing (in their defense, they have bigger fish to fry) is not really an option as the message quickly spreads and your business now has a bull's eye on it. The logical progression of events (from that point) leads to a loss of livelihood. This loss will resonate throughout communities and others will suffer for it. Thieves don't stop stealing just because one business goes out of business. The problem is the thief. It starts and ends with them. If the police want to file charges, then they should file charges against themselves for doing nothing and thus, aiding and abetting in crime. Shooting a thief is harsh, but it is far more of a harsh thing on the community when you do little to stop the thieves.
What a sad, sad society you're building for yourself.
You need to call the DA in Whereveitwas, Texas, and inform him/her of your superior understanding of law, because our trigger-happy shopowner is being charged with murder.
2 a**holes. The shoplifter, and the vigilante.
It's called having a sense of proportion. The 2nd amendment says nothing about summary execution of shoplifters. I don't think it was left out by mistake. Do you?
Why don''t you get out there and talk to store owners who fear for their lives just from these very people. Your European style doesn't quite go over in America. It's all about minding a persons own business, the thief had no right to steal from the business owner......who knows what the owner may have done if the guy asked for it rather than stealing it. He lost his life for a few bucks, now who's the idiot?
You must be a Obama supporter.......take from others rather than put your own $$$ forward?
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