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Old 10-19-2013, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Did the virus mutate into another organism, or is it still a virus? If its not a virus anymore, there is no point in taking flu shots because they are designed to help your body figt viruses. You can mix dog breeds too, but the results are still dogs, not new species.
Your ignorance of evolution is showing once again.....There are many different species of virus.....For instance, humans are apes, but we are not the same species as chimps, gorillas or the other great apes.....I suppose your next question will be "If humans came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?"

 
Old 10-19-2013, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Your ignorance of evolution is showing once again....
More personal BS.

Viruses are still viruses, always have been and always will be. They did NOT evolve into other species like gorillas, and whales.
 
Old 10-19-2013, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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No.

Harrier will never get a flu shot.
So if Harrier were bitten by a rabid dog, would Harrier die rather than take the rabies vaccine?
 
Old 10-19-2013, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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More personal BS.

Viruses are still viruses, always have been and always will be. They did NOT evolve into other species like gorillas, and whales.
There is nothing personal about pointing out the fact that you know little about evolution....Saying that all viruses are one species is like saying that all rodents are the same species......40% of all mammals on earth are rodents and comprise thousands of species.
 
Old 10-19-2013, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Florida
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There is nothing personal about pointing out the fact that you know little about evolution....Saying that all viruses are one species is like saying that all rodents are the same species......40% of all mammals on earth are rodents and comprise thousands of species.
I asked you if the virus has evolved into something other than a virus, and as opposed to answering the question you attack by calling me ignorant. Yes, that is personal BS.

Personal attacks and insults are used to conceal a weak position.

The answer to my question is NO, virus has not evolved in something else, it is still a virus, and they have been viruses all along. Why have they not evolved into something else? Well, because it just doesn't happen. Like dogs, they can mutate into different kind of virus, but they are still a VIRUS.

If the evolution theories were true, the viruses would be camels with eagle wings and gills by now.

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Old 10-19-2013, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Deep Dirty South
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Yes, I believe in the Creator.
There is no disconnect in believing in a creator and acknowledging the fact that evolution actually happens.
 
Old 10-19-2013, 07:23 AM
 
Location: california
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Isn't it true ,that much of what has been found was actually created by the anthropologist from fragments, not complete skulls? Isn't it true that a great deeal of evolutional theory is exactly that theory ,soa great deal of faith has to be invested one way or another because you are trusting the word of a man trying to prove something is there , that may or may not be there at all. For all intents and purpouses those things found are few and scattered like deformities might have been shunned,or worshipped, by past cultures. Fact of the matter is billions of remains should have been found by now ,and they are not.If there is evidence that evidence should be over whelming , not sacttered fragments that have to be guessed together, and filled in making assumptions with out fact.
 
Old 10-19-2013, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Isn't it true ,that much of what has been found was actually created by the anthropologist from fragments, not complete skulls? Isn't it true that a great deeal of evolutional theory is exactly that theory ,soa great deal of faith has to be invested one way or another because you are trusting the word of a man trying to prove something is there , that may or may not be there at all. For all intents and purpouses those things found are few and scattered like deformities might have been shunned,or worshipped, by past cultures. Fact of the matter is billions of remains should have been found by now ,and they are not.If there is evidence that evidence should be over whelming , not sacttered fragments that have to be guessed together, and filled in making assumptions with out fact.
Yes, scientists have been searching for the missing links for a very long time and since they have not been found several have been invented. The Java-Man was created from few teeth, and a fragment of a skull bone. They created an image of the Java Man (look it up) complete with skin tone, hair etc and claimed it was the missing link, and everyone believed it. However, the only Java Man which ever existed was the one they created, but everyone believed it was the missing link and proof of evolution In truth the teeth were human and the bone fragments were from an orangoutang.

Likewise today everyone believes everything the scientists tell them, even when the scientists tell them their theories have gaping holes in them. Darwin himself said his theory had major gaps in it, which he could not explain, but the modern people believe it anyway.
 
Old 10-19-2013, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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There appears to be some confusion as to the meaning of certain terms, such as "theory." What most posters here have claimed to be a "theory" is actually an "hypothesis."

Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge. In contrast to more common uses of the word "theory" that imply that something is unproven or speculative (which is better defined by the word 'hypothesis'). Scientific theories are empirically testable inferences, and scientific laws, which are descriptive accounts of how nature will behave under certain conditions. Scientific theories can therefore be empirically verified or empirically contradicted.

Evolution is a process that has been empirically proven since the Egyptians first invented horticulture 20,000 years ago. Evolution is not, and never has been, theoretical.

Another common misconception is that Darwin created this "theory of evolution." He did not. In 1859 Darwin published a book entitled "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection" where he theorizes that one species can evolve into a completely different species as a result of natural selection.

Darwin took evolution as an empirical fact, which it is, and extended aspects of evolution to include a plausible explanation for how all the various species that currently exist came to be. As a scientific theory it can be tested and either empirically verified or empirically contradicted. Unlike an hypothesis which can be based upon pure speculation, scientific theories must be based upon inference, with collaborating observations and/or evidence. Darwin used the critters on the Galapagos Islands as both direct observations and evidence to support his scientific theory. Darwin's theory of one species evolving into a completely different species due to natural selection has been empirically verified using a number of different lines of evidence. Including both the fossil record and currently living critters, as well as controlled tests in laboratories.

In the last 154 years there has been nothing that empirically contradicts the theory Darwin posited.
 
Old 10-19-2013, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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I asked you if the virus has evolved into something other than a virus, and as opposed to answering the question you attack by calling me ignorant. Yes, that is personal BS.

Personal attacks and insults are used to conceal a weak position.

The answer to my question is NO, virus has not evolved in something else, it is still a virus, and they have been viruses all along. Why have they not evolved into something else? Well, because it just doesn't happen. Like dogs, they can mutate into different kind of virus, but they are still a VIRUS.

If the evolution theories were true, the viruses would be camels with eagle wings and gills by now.
Thank you, you just saved me the trouble of pointing out that you have no idea about what evolution is about.
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