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A simple, but profound tale that answers your question OP...
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The Scorpion and the Turtle
A turtle was happily swimming along a river when a scorpion hailed it from the shore.
A scorpion, being a very poor swimmer, asked a turtle to carry him on his back across a river. "Are you mad?" exclaimed the turtle. "You'll sting me while I'm swimming and I'll drown."
"My dear turtle," laughed the scorpion, "if I were to sting you, you would drown and I would go down with you, and drown as well. Now where is the logic in that?"
The turtle thought this over, and saw the logic of the scorpion's statement. "You're right!" cried the turtle. "Hop on!" The scorpion climbed aboard and halfway across the river the scorpion gave the turtle a mighty sting. As they both sank to the bottom, the turtle resignedly said:
"Do you mind if I ask you something? You said there'd be no logic in your stinging me. Why did you do it?"
"It has nothing to do with logic," the drowning scorpion sadly replied. "It's just my character."
Question to you GOP'ers (and anyone else) - Help me understand why the GOP is so ignorant and seems to wish to become a permanent minority party. The decisions by the GOP are quite strange to me, their recent actions don't reflect of a party that has any desire to be a real national party and they consistently vote against the interests of their constituents.
1. Pushing Amnesty - I never understood why there was such an interest by the GOP to bring in millions of people who will likely never vote for the GOP. National polls have shown this, even when the GOP panders exclusively to them. Yet, McCain, and other GOP leaders have a fetish for cheap labor, even if it means destroying the party's ability to ever win a national election again. I understand why the Democrats want it, it will swell their constituency, but the GOP is fooling themselves if they think they'll get any real electoral benefit from mass amnesty. To me, it is strange almost laughable.
2. Sequestration- The GOP votes for Sequestration, and puts up cuts that seriously hurt their interests (namely defense), while the impact to Democrat interests under Sequestration are much more limited. When presented the opportunity to lift sequestration caps during the shutdown, they stubbornly hold to them and willingly continued to cut their nose to spite their face. Again, very strange.
3. Affordable Healthcare and the government shutdown - Rather than making their protest known and capitalizing on the frustrations and negative experiences with the roll out of the ACA, they chose to shutdown the government to make a point. Shifting all the attention away from the problems for nearly a month, they did more to further marginalize themselves in the eyes of the American Electorate.
Worse, instead of offering a viable solution to the ACA or modifying it, they simply wanted to dismantle it. I can't see how this would ever play to the national electorate. Essentially, no matter what your political ideology, the idea of keeping the current broken system, fighting getting more people health insurance coverage and shutting down the government to do so seems like a crazy political strategy.
I can't see how the GOP will be a relevant national party in 10 years, maybe much sooner.
Oh, that hurts, got any more? like filibustering their own bills?
the only thing that would make me a hypocrite here, is if i worked for an astroturfing campaign. i don't.
i have no idea why you think i'm a liar. the conservative PACs do hire people to go around posting on the internet.
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My city's craigslist has, on EVERY day of the week, multiple advertisements recruiting PAID activists for an assortment of Democrat special interest groups. NOT ONE for TEA Party or conservative causes. Ever.
My city's craigslist has, on EVERY day of the week, multiple advertisements recruiting PAID activists for an assortment of Democrat special interest groups. NOT ONE for TEA Party or conservative causes. Ever.
Training Tea Party Internet Terrorists Caught On Tape! (video)
This video was filmed in Nashville TN. A group tied to the Koch Brothers associate Howie Rich trains Tea Partiers in “guerilla internet tactics.” The presenter instructs his audience to put up false book reviews, as well as give “bad ratings” to documentary films that are embarrassing to the Tea Party. This clip shows us just how twisted, and pathologically dishonest the Tea Party really is.
My only contention is that it depends on which group of Hispanics. My family on my mother's side are Cuban American's. Cuban American's detest big government solutions because they have risked life and limb to leave it. These people are fairly conservative in fiscal terms as well. Their only contention is the immigration issue, which the GOP is beginning to moderate on to some degree.
With regards to Hispanics on the whole, the idea of accepting big government solutions is a by product of the fact that most are of a lower socioeconomic class. Once they move up the social ladder a bit, they begin to moderate. Studies have shown that Hispanics and Asian voting patterns begin to move right once they pass 200% of the poverty level which is indicative of the commonly held axiom that once people start making money they start voting for the GOP regardless of race. Obviously this isn't the case for eveyone and the study itself is a bit of a generalization, but voting patterns certainly shift right once income increases.
Bwahahaha. No, Asians do NOT vote for the GOP. For one thing, Asians have the LOWEST poverty rates, the highest educations rates in America, and highest incomes - so by your logic they should be voting for the GOP in waves. Yet, Asian opposition to the GOP is second only to black Americans. Now, you are correct that people vote for the GOP more as their income rises, but they vote for Democrats more as their education level rise.
The GOP support is strongest among whites that have no college education, but have high income; the second highest support comes from HS dropouts that have medium income. Furthermore, GOP social issues turn off alot of people, including Asians.
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Anti education.
Anti abortion
Anti government services
Anti science
Pro creation/religion
Training Tea Party Internet Terrorists Caught On Tape! (video)
This video was filmed in Nashville TN. A group tied to the Koch Brothers associate Howie Rich trains Tea Partiers in “guerilla internet tactics.” The presenter instructs his audience to put up false book reviews, as well as give “bad ratings” to documentary films that are embarrassing to the Tea Party. This clip shows us just how twisted, and pathologically dishonest the Tea Party really is.
Virtually unknown outside Washington, a coalition of hardline conservative groups is fighting to seize control of the Republican agenda.
Tea party allies like the Club for Growth, FreedomWorks and Heritage Action for America showed their might by insisting that the GOP embrace the government shutdown that hurt the nation's economy and the party's reputation.
Now emboldened, these groups are warning that their aggressive agenda-pushing tactics aren't over — and they're threatening retribution against Republicans who stand in their way.
They are terrorists and extortionists, plain and simple, but where are the moderate Republicans to stand up to and expose them? These guys are so afraid of being primaried that they have blown any integrity they might have had. I wonder who is finally going to take a stand and quash these radical nuts. And they wonder why they are comng to be known as The Tea party Taliban.
The more I think about it, the more I feel that it serves these members of the GOP right. They let the termites in, so let them deal with the infestation aftermath.
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They are terrorists and extortionists, plain and simple, but where are the moderate Republicans to stand up to and expose them? These guys are so afraid of being primaried that they have blown any integrity they might have had. I wonder who is finally going to take a stand and quash these radical nuts. And they wonder why they are comng to be known as The Tea party Taliban. ''
The more I think about it, the more I feel that it serves these members of the GOP right. They let the termites in, so let them deal with the infestation aftermath.
I've known about these PACS for quite a while now, and don't expect John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, or any other republican that's been serving for a long time to stand up to the teabaggers, they're all pretty much a group of gutless wimps.
I believe the best American voters can hope for is that the democrats retain control of the senate, and win some seats in the house to make up a majority. I do believe most voters are fed up with teabaggers by now.
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I Have But One Thing To Say
No, Asians do NOT vote for the GOP. For one thing, Asians have the LOWEST poverty rates, the highest educations rates in America, and highest incomes - so by your logic they should be voting for the GOP in waves. Yet, Asian opposition to the GOP is second only to black Americans. Now, you are correct that people vote for the GOP more as their income rises, but they vote for Democrats more as their education level rise. 
