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You, as a business owner, are, of course, free to allow smoking in your establishment - no arguments whatsoever, from me.
What you don't have is the right to waive my right NOT be assaulted by the toxins smokers generate. If you are going to allow a dangerous activity, it is on YOU to insure that the carrying out of that activity doesn't harm others.
Imagine I had a bb-gun range, and allowed people to shoot bb-guns. that is my right, but I don't have the right to authorize others to shoot other patrons. I can't waive your rights NOT To be harmed, even if the action that harms you is ancillary to the business.
By accepting employment at or entering the business, knowing full well that smoking IS ALLOWED, and you will be assaulted with tobacco smoke, YOU have in effect waived your right to be in a smoke free environment, AND you have waived your right to sue because of the smoke you inhaled.
If YOU don't want to be there, WHY did you enter?
"Many" is a subjective word on this site. I bet more bars are happy with this law than are not. Smokers are still showing up at the bars, so a smoking ban isn't preventing that.
You proved my point yet again. You're right. More bar owners may in fact happy be happy with the current law. That translates to people like yourself having several times more smoke free bars to choose from does it not? You would not be inconvenienced and would have many choices to choose from when you want to grab a drink, and those who want to smoke would, by your very own acknowledgement, have a select few places to choose from. To each their own and EVERYONE would be happy, except you of course because you would bypass the 100s of bars that banned smoking to have your "rights violated" at the 1 place in town that allows smoking..
I already responded to your other statement, but I'll copy and paste again... The fact that they are being forced into doing something in no why implies that they aren't bothered by it Einstein... Try again...
By accepting employment at or entering the business, knowing full well that smoking IS ALLOWED, and you will be assaulted with tobacco smoke, YOU have in effect waived your right to be in a smoke free environment, AND you have waived your right to sue because of the smoke you inhaled.
If YOU don't want to be there, WHY did you enter?
Obviously, you have a right to waive your right not to be assaulted.
However, neither you, nor anyone else has the right to waive the rights of others.
You proved my point yet again. You're right. More bar owners may in fact happy be happy with the current law. That translates to people like yourself having several times more smoke free bars to choose from does it not? You would not be inconvenienced and would have many choices to choose from when you want to grab a drink, and those who want to smoke would, by your very own acknowledgement, have a select few places to choose from. To each their own and EVERYONE would be happy, except you of course because you would bypass the 100s of bars that banned smoking to have your "rights violated" at the 1 place in town that allows smoking..
I already responded to your other statement, but I'll copy and paste again... The fact that they are being forced into doing something in no why implies that they aren't bothered by it Einstein... Try again...
You can smoke outside........................................... .................................................. ............ It's such a terrible inconvenience to simply walk outside to the patio or sidewalk outside of your favorite establishment to smoke.......
Obviously, you have a right to waive your right not to be assaulted.
However, neither you, nor anyone else has the right to waive the rights of others.
Try again. Neither I, nor anybody else waived YOUR rights! YOU did that yourself by entering an establishment which you KNEW allowed smoking. YOU waived YOUR OWN rights, nobody did it for you!
JUST STAY OUT OF SUCH PLACES!
You can smoke outside........................................... .................................................. ............ It's such a terrible inconvenience to simply walk outside to the patio or sidewalk outside of your favorite establishment to smoke.......
It is such a terrible inconvenience to JUST STAY THE HELL OUT OF PLACES THAT ALLOW SMOKING!
I am consistently amazed that FREEDOM OF CHOICE is so regularly ignored!
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY will try any coercion at all to make one patronize a place where they would rather not go! If the tavern or restaurant or casino is a den of smokers, JUST DON'T GO THERE!
So what if it is the only place in town that serves the unusual foods that you crave, STAY AWAY!
Conversely, if the tavern or restaurant or casino does not allow smoking (or anything else that you want) JUST DON'T GO THERE!
So what if it serves the very best biscuits and sausage gravy in the world, with hash browns and eggs to order, and you can't live without your weekly fix of carbohydrates, JUST STAY AWAY!
THAT, y'see, is known as FREEDOM OF CHOICE!
Before somebody raises the "discrimination" angle, YES, ABSOLUTELY, the business owner DOES have the right, IMO, to limit his or her clientele in any way he/she sees fit, even to the point of restricting the right to discuss politics or religion!
That is simply because many Americans have developed a sense of entitlement, and act like wannabe tyrants! Everyone is offended about something, or someone, by their actions or speech.
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Originally Posted by Mike Bridges
You, as a business owner, are, of course, free to allow smoking in your establishment - no arguments whatsoever, from me.
What you don't have is the right to waive my right NOT be assaulted by the toxins smokers generate. If you are going to allow a dangerous activity, it is on YOU to insure that the carrying out of that activity doesn't harm others.
Imagine I had a bb-gun range, and allowed people to shoot bb-guns. that is my right, but I don't have the right to authorize others to shoot other patrons. I can't waive your rights NOT To be harmed, even if the action that harms you is ancillary to the business.
And you as the individual are free to not go into an establishment that allows smoking. Your bb-gun analogy is weak. Shooting patrons can kill them on the spot. The occasional exposure to 2nd hand smoke will not.
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Originally Posted by Mike Bridges
Your opinion lives in a bygone era that developed when virtually everyone smoked, and nobody saw it as a violation of their rights.
Like the dodo, those days are long gone. Adjust your thinking to be in comportment with the changing demographics, and the rights of the emerged majority not to have the toxin inflicted upon them.
Involuntary Servitude is gone as well, just in case.....
Gosh, who would have thought that freedom and liberty was an outdated ideology? So much for the land of the free BS that I was sold as a kid growing up. And no I won't adjust my thinking, because the collective thinks that I should do so. I don't subscribe to group think, simply because someone such as the media, or the collective thinks that I should.
Try again. Neither I, nor anybody else waived YOUR rights! YOU did that yourself by entering an establishment which you KNEW allowed smoking. YOU waived YOUR OWN rights, nobody did it for you!
JUST STAY OUT OF SUCH PLACES!
Sorry, life isn't like that. Even if I walk into a gun range, I don't waive my rights not to be shot.
You, as a business owner, are, of course, free to allow smoking in your establishment - no arguments whatsoever, from me.
What you don't have is the right to waive my right NOT be assaulted by the toxins smokers generate. If you are going to allow a dangerous activity, it is on YOU to insure that the carrying out of that activity doesn't harm others.
Imagine I had a bb-gun range, and allowed people to shoot bb-guns. that is my right, but I don't have the right to authorize others to shoot other patrons. I can't waive your rights NOT To be harmed, even if the action that harms you is ancillary to the business.
You alloligy does not apply hear to this argument. As usually your logic is flawed. Imagine I had a paint ball range. That's by right, but according to your logic, paint ball should be banned because others should have a right to walk onto my paint ball range and not be hit by a paint ball.... If I clearly labeled my bar as not being smoke free, NO ONE IS WAIVING THEIR RIGHTS. If you walk into
MY bar knowing that my bar allows smoking, the only one "waving" your rights IS YOU!
It is such a terrible inconvenience to JUST STAY THE HELL OUT OF PLACES THAT ALLOW SMOKING!
Why are smokers allowed to dictate that? What God given right do you have to smoke where ever you want?
But that's not the POINT, which none of you smokers understands. It's about worker safety and OSHA laws. It has already been decided LEGALLY by many states and counties and municipalities. YOU HAVE LOST. Say it with me..... YOU HAVE LOST.
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