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Old 03-08-2014, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Wouldn't you think that there would have been a law made many years ago against keeping dogs tied up in your yard or in those small runs made for them? Birds kept in small cages so they can't even fly? Veal calves kept inside in stanchions?
Or is it just orcas that merit such action?

Actually these laws do exist in some places. In my community I believe you can only keep a dog tied up in the yard for so many hours before you have to let it inside, and if you aren't going to be home for a certain length of time you can only keep them tied for like two or three hours with you not being there...

Now, are these laws enfiorced? Probably not, and it would be very hard to do so, but they do exist.

I'm all for expanding animal protection laws so long as it is done in a sensible way. They are living, breathing creatures that are capable of feeling emotions like happyness, sadness, anger, jealousy, love and pain. I think animal abuse laws should carry similar penalties to child abuse laws.

Although you can't just say that keeping any animal in captivity is outlawed. Having zoos and aquariums are actually beneficial to the greater good because they educate people about animals and keep them interested in conservation.

It's a difficult topic to suss out and there are no easy answers. Before any law is passed I think it needs to be proven that an animals quality of life is severely diminished by being kept in captivity. According to the documentary "Blackfish" it would seem that the general consensus is that an Orcas quality of life is severely diminished in captive situations. I'm not sure the same could be said of domesticated specoes like dogs, cats, birds, or fish, but if it could, then naturaly I would support laws that would rectify the situation as best as possible.
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Old 03-08-2014, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Wilsonville, OR
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Good. Orcas are highly intelligent animals and should not ever be kept in captivity.
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Old 03-08-2014, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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In before mentally ill rage-filled conservatives rail about how soft "liberal environmentalists" "care more about whales than humans" or some other strange creation.
You would be wrong....again.

I'm a Conservative, and I fully support this. I've long been disgusted by these parks keeping animals like this in captivity. Yes, I know, it's for "education" purposes....at the expense of the whale.

The problem is, those that are in captivity now, will not live outside of captivity. They will, more than likely, die almost immediately. What they have now, they keep now, and don't bring any more in.
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Old 03-08-2014, 05:43 PM
 
Location: planet octupulous is nearing earths atmosphere
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orcas are killers. most of the "tricks" they do at seaworld are nothing more than hunting behaviors.

they basically starve the orcas to do the tricks, give a dog a bone, go fetch the stick. give the dog a kibble, go fetch the Frisbee. dog doesn't fetch the stick, dog gets no bone.. dog does not fetch Frisbee no kibbles..


I say good keep the orcas in the ocean where they belong..
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Old 03-08-2014, 08:56 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Sea World did fine with only porpoises for decades. Porpoises learn faster than whales, and aren't the apex predators Orcas are. Sea World was built for the porpoise, not the whale. I don't have any problem with Sea World going back to the past, but the sooner they get rid of their whales, the better off they will be.

Unfortunately, almost all of those whales won't live long if freed. But some may, and we have to accept that some bad mistakes have bad consequences. Sea World got greedy and lucky; if Shamu had not been as docile as he was, all the rest of the Orcas that were captured would have never been trapped in the first place.

They are using predators. Once in a while, a caged tiger is docile for all his life, but they are always the rare exceptions. Orcas and porpoises are no different, and they can never be counted on to be docile or kind to humans. We don't let our kids pat tigers, do we? Why then, does Sea World let a little kid pat a porpoise, who can snap an arm off just as quickly as a tiger?
Orcas are actually dolphins, not whales.
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Old 03-08-2014, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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Orcas are actually dolphins, not whales.
There are 35 species of dolphins, orca whales are one of them.

Read all your posts and all I can do is .
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Old 03-08-2014, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Good. Orcas are highly intelligent animals and should not ever be kept in captivity.
Does that mean that non-highly intelligent animals will be more likely to be kept in captivity?

No wonder we are seeing a rash of liberal politicians heading to prison.

Don't close SeaWorld - just make it a new federal prison and have the same shows with the naughty Dems being the stars of the show.

Splish-splash!

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Old 03-08-2014, 09:20 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Orcas are jerks. People make the case that they are intelligent and gentle, but they really are killer "whales". They kill trainers. They also kill bigger, more intelligent whales just to eat out their tongue. They kill the baby whales by drowning them.
Orcas are not jerks (orcas just go insane went kept in small cages.)


Wild orcas have never killed a human being, in all of documented human history.

No wild killer whale has ever killed a human. - OMG Facts
Killer Whales Not in Captivity: 7 Things You'll Never Learn at SeaWorld | TakePart


And orcas are one of the most intelligent animals on the planet.

"Orcas have what researchers call clans or subpods. A clan is a group of intrapods in an area that have a similar (dialect) and a common but distant maternal link."

dialect- a particular form of a language that is peculiar to a specific region or social group.
(Orcas groups use "slang" when communicating with each other.)

The Awesome Intelligence of Cetaceans Part 3 - Killer Whales


And "orcas are probably the most socially bonded of all mammals on our entire planet" (they are closer to their families than humans.)
OrcaInfo


What would you do if someone took you away from your family, and then put you in a (very) small cage?

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Old 03-08-2014, 09:20 PM
 
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I can't believe anyone would form an opinion because of a single movie. Look at how the global warming supporters have distanced themselves from Al Gore.

Yes, an creature like a killer whale is better off in the wild BUT the only reason a large portion of people care about any animal that is kept in captivity is because they get to see them and they become real to them. If they remain nothing more than something they read about they are only slightly more real to them than a Yeti. Let them experience them first hand and you'll get someone who cares about them.
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Old 03-08-2014, 09:22 PM
 
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Orcas are not jerks (orcas just go insane went kept in small cages.)
They would quickly die in small cages. When people have to use hyperbole like this you know their point isn't very strong because they feel they must exaggerate.
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