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Old 04-08-2014, 11:52 AM
 
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What about the tribe leaders that sold their own people to the Europeans? Forgot that little tibdit, didn't ya?
Why do you think that changes anything? The enslavement of Africans in this nation was about racial oppression. This is easy to look up historical facts.

You can READ what slave owners said about the enslaved. You can read what our government said about the enslaved. You can read accounts from the enslaved on their experiences. Then you have the violence, the violence, the violence, the violence and more violence. To say that American slavery was not racial oppression is a flat out ignorant, insane, dumb position to take.

 
Old 04-08-2014, 11:53 AM
 
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Really? Labor is 0% of your total costs?
yup.

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Tell me, exactly how do you pay for your personal housing, food, and utilities in this scenario?
i see you're trying to change the subject to my personal business, rather than admit you're wrong.
 
Old 04-08-2014, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Because they can. Once wages are artificially inflated, everyone will have their hands out to get a share of the increase.
Landlords raise rents regardless of minimum wage increases. Heck, most rents are out of reach of a minimum wage employee.
 
Old 04-08-2014, 11:55 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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Why do you think that changes anything? The enslavement of Africans in this nation was about racial oppression. This is easy to look up historical facts.

You can READ what slave owners said about the enslaved. You can read what our government said about the enslaved. You can read accounts from the enslaved on their experiences. Then you have the violence, the violence, the violence, the violence and more violence. To say that American slavery was not racial oppression is a flat out ignorant, insane, dumb position to take.

WTF is the matter with you? I believe I clearly remarked how slavery was oppression no matter how you slice it! DID I NOT?
 
Old 04-08-2014, 11:55 AM
 
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Why do you think that changes anything? The enslavement of Africans in this nation was about racial oppression. This is easy to look up historical facts.

You can READ what slave owners said about the enslaved. You can read what our government said about the enslaved. You can read accounts from the enslaved on their experiences. Then you have the violence, the violence, the violence, the violence and more violence. To say that American slavery was not racial oppression is a flat out ignorant, insane, dumb position to take.
A black man started legal slavery in this country.
 
Old 04-08-2014, 11:58 AM
 
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Cool. Then stop embarrassing yourself by being a hypocrite when it comes to racism? At any rate, racial oppression or not anyone with half a brain thinks that slavery was wrong, and oppression no matter how you slice it.
No you are embarrassing yourself pretending that you believe that medallion is a symbol of white oppression.

LOL

That medallion means nothing to white Americans it symbolizes nothing to them.

You went and embarrassed yourself by comparing that nothing medallion that has no history, no connection, no meaning to white people to the confederate flag the symbol of American slavery and the symbol of the people who fought a war to keep slavery and as a result 100's of thousands died.

Again that isn't what IC is writing. In IC world because blah, blah, blah and blah, blah, blah, that means that American slavery wasn't about racial oppression.

Why are you defending the words of another poster?
 
Old 04-08-2014, 11:58 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The reality is that the enslavement of Africans in this nation was about racial oppression.
No, that's revisionist history.
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To make any other argument is to be a fool or a liar.
The only fools here are the ones who persist in ignoring historical fact.

Public Lecture:
‘Kidnapped, Transported, Forgotten. White Slave Children in Colonial America, 1660-1720’
Belfast City Council

The lecturer traced the kidnapping and enslavement of nearly 5,290 European White children in just two states, Maryland and Virginia.
 
Old 04-08-2014, 12:00 PM
 
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A black man started legal slavery in this country.
Again and? What does that have to do with the enslavement of Africans in American being about racial oppression? Nothing.
 
Old 04-08-2014, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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yup.



i see you're trying to change the subject to my personal business, rather than admit you're wrong.
No, I'm asking how you can run a business, even a sole proprietorship, and not have any labor costs. If you're running a charity, that's one thing. However, if you are running a business with the purpose of making a living then you are, at the very least, paying yourself - meaning that you have labor costs over 0% - whether you claim those costs on paper or not.
 
Old 04-08-2014, 12:01 PM
 
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feel free to prove me wrong on either that point or the question of supply and demand being the sole determiner of costs.
actually it was whether supply and demand was the sole determinant of price. not cost.

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In the context of this thread, labor refers to labor, period. Trying to separate the labor of direct employees from the labor of contractors or sole proprietors is misleading and dishonest when discussing the effects of a raise in wages and resultant changes in the cost of living.
My business is not a sole proprietorship, it has no employees, and it has no contractors.

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No, I'm asking how you can run a business, even a sole proprietorship, and not have any labor costs.
Easy. Just perform all labor yourself, and don't pay yourself anything. You simply build something that does something.
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