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Interesting to see this thread. My daughter has been working as a server, and she said she has discovered this. For example, a black family came in, ordered dinners, they were very nice to her, she asked if everything was OK and they seemed to really enjoy their dinners--and then they left her ten bucks on an eighty-dollar bill. She says this sort of thing has happened enough that she now knows that when she sees black people seated, she should expect that they will stiff her on the tip. (She also says it's guaranteed that they will order their steaks well-done, lol, but that's neither here nor there, just an amusing note.) It's not a cheap restaurant, so it's not as if these are people who won't spend good money on their food. I wondered if black people also stiff black servers or if not tipping properly was just a way to stick it to whitey (I've been in situations twice where black store clerks ignored me until all the black customers were waited on first even though I was ahead of them on line--I guess they got some sort of gratification out of that) but from this thread, it seems as though that's not the case.
TIpping needs to be eliminated. It is time the major restaurant chains , owned by mega corporations start paying their help appropriately.
It is not the obligation of the client to directly pay the employee of the company they are patronizing.
An yes I see that the price of food will increase but it will not be by 15-20% and it will be a worthwhile increase.
Goiong out to eat is a privliage anyway.
That's all well and good and can be added to the list of things that need to change in society, but the fact remains that the cultural norm at this time is that you go out to eat expecting that you will have to leave additional money over and above the price of your meal for the person who waits on you. Hurting someone on the low end of the wage scale who is just trying to make a living because you think the industry should run differently is just small and mean and accomplishes nothing.
Considering that 50+ years is about two generations, that's a lot of tipping culture, opportunities, observances and basic consideration gone wasted. Stiffing a server not only deprives them of the immediate revenue but penalizes them when it comes to their wages and taxes because they are predicated on the assumption that tips were received, whether or not that was the reality. And on top of it they still have to tip-out the kitchen and bussing staff.
How much more of a learning curve is needed for these lessons to sink-in? Do people who haven't learned think money left on a bar or table is simply forgetfulness on the parts of departed guests?
I guess restaurants would be well-served, on behalf of their employees to list suggested tips prominently on the bills to educate and kick-start the uninitiated.
My oldest daughter is a restaurant manager in CA and has also waited tables and tended bar. Another daughter is a chef working on opening her own restaurant. Non-tipping is something I heard a lot about.
Yes, and further, we were white and didn't go out to restaurants when I was a kid, either, except once a year on my grandmother's birthday, and I had no idea how the bill or tipping was handled. There were seven kids in my family and my parents were very frugal and didn't spend money on luxuries like restaurants. I learned about tipping and how to act in restaurants when presented with all that extra flatware as a young adult in the working world by observing what other people did.
The point is that if you're black and get crappier service at a restaurant than others, now you know why.
Even if they get great service, they will ***** and moan and complain to get the entire meal for free. I saw a guy at a McDonald's refuse a breakfast sandwich unless it was cooked "fresh".
That's all well and good and can be added to the list of things that need to change in society, but the fact remains that the cultural norm at this time is that you go out to eat expecting that you will have to leave additional money over and above the price of your meal for the person who waits on you. Hurting someone on the low end of the wage scale who is just trying to make a living because you think the industry should run differently is just small and mean and accomplishes nothing.
Tipping is expected for ALL personal services. That includes the people that cut your hair, do your nails, serve your food, wash your car, carry your luggage.
Tipping is expected for ALL personal services. That includes the people that cut your hair, do your nails, serve your food, wash your car, carry your luggage.
Exactly.
The first time I took a plane trip somewhere, I was 21 and I didn't know we were supposed to tip the guy who took our luggage. The man yelled after my friend and I, "Hey aren't you gonna take care of me?" My friend had never flown, either. We looked at each other and realized we were expected to tip and went back and gave him a couple of bucks. I had no idea but after the trip I looked up information in a travel book so I wouldn't make the same mistake again.
Interesting to see this thread. My daughter has been working as a server, and she said she has discovered this. For example, a black family came in, ordered dinners, they were very nice to her, she asked if everything was OK and they seemed to really enjoy their dinners--and then they left her ten bucks on an eighty-dollar bill. She says this sort of thing has happened enough that she now knows that when she sees black people seated, she should expect that they will stiff her on the tip. (She also says it's guaranteed that they will order their steaks well-done, lol, but that's neither here nor there, just an amusing note.) It's not a cheap restaurant, so it's not as if these are people who won't spend good money on their food. I wondered if black people also stiff black servers or if not tipping properly was just a way to stick it to whitey (I've been in situations twice where black store clerks ignored me until all the black customers were waited on first even though I was ahead of them on line--I guess they got some sort of gratification out of that) but from this thread, it seems as though that's not the case.
There is a story that Cedric the Entertainer went into a restaurant in L.A. and made a point tip the black servers in the place and excluded the whites.
LOL they controlled for income as well and the disparities still emerged.
The available research indicates the following:
Tips from Blacks are, on average, lower than those from Whites;
Black-White differences in restaurant tipping are not caused solely by race differences in socio-economic status;
Black-White differences in restaurant tipping are evident among the middle-class as well as the lower-class;
Black-White differences in restaurant tipping do not disappear when both groups get comparable service;
Blacks tip less than Whites even when the server is Black;
Blacks are much less familiar with the 15- to 20-percent restaurant tipping norm than are Whites;
Blacks tip less than do Whites in many (but not all) other service contexts; and
Asian-White and Hispanic-White differences in tipping are smaller, less robust, and have drawn less attention than Black-White differences in tipping.
This is so important, blacks generally tip less. Every server I've known has always said the same thing.
The issue is not just education, its culture. A culture of giving, of generosity.
Generosity and gratitude is what really makes tipping possible, because otherwise, its a "bribe" after the fact, and some form of payment for something. Tips are as much gratitude and generosity as anything else.
A culture ruled by anger, no matter how "justified" has no room to be compassionate and generous with others. This is what has to change.
A culture without a sense of gratitude is stingy to others, no matter the race.
A culture that that hunts for grievances, rather than assuming the best in others first, can not be generous.
A culture that finds reasons for offense, rather than compassion (regardless of history) can not be generous.
Fix these problems, and small issues like tipping would be solved without an extra thought.
Where is Black Americas tip for building this nations wealth making it possible to be the superpower it is today only to be given nothing.
As far as the whole black people dont tip, why the hell should they. There is absolutely no rule or no law that requires anyone to do so. SO if a server doesnt like that they are not being tipped, or if a white boy is butthurt because cedric only tipped the black server who probably gave better service, they can always get a job somewhere else. No one is holding a gun to their head and telling them to be a server, they are doing it because they are most likely uneducated and unqualified to get a better job.
Like Mr. Pink said:
"You know what this is? Thats the worlds smallest violin playing just for the waitresses."
Angry people who make excuses for appalling behavior are neither respected nor taken seriously!
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