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Old 06-24-2014, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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It does not matter what you or anyone else thinks, the choice of couples to have children is their business and you along with everyone else should stay out of their bedroom, their vaginas and their lives and keep your opinions to yourself.

I think the better question would be:

Is it morally wrong to dictate and judge how others live their lives when your own life needs tended to first?
Fine with me as long as they keep my money out of their lives too.
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Old 06-24-2014, 10:28 AM
 
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Irresponsible would be a better word.
I call it selfish and irresponsible. Why anyone would bring children into poverty is pure selfishness. Then they hide behind them and say but, but what about the children.

Nothing like adults hiding behind children to get support for themselves.
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Old 06-24-2014, 10:39 AM
 
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I don't care how many children people have. I do care if I am the one who has to support them.

I have relatives who rail against the government, government interference, people being too dependent on government, etc. These same relatives have children who have insurance through the state, were on food assistance at one time and got their house through a government program.

I believe in helping those who truly need it. I'm just not into helping those who want to have children when they can't afford them.
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Old 06-24-2014, 10:41 AM
 
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I also may catch flack for this, but I think if instead of tax credits for children, that people should actually PAY to have them. JMHO.
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Old 06-24-2014, 10:43 AM
 
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I don't care how many children people have. I do care if I am the one who has to support them.

I have relatives who rail against the government, government interference, people being too dependent on government, etc. These same relatives have children who have insurance through the state, were on food assistance at one time and got their house through a government program.

I believe in helping those who truly need it. I'm just not into helping those who want to have children when they can't afford them.
lol, yea right, and Hillary Clinton is broke.
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Old 06-24-2014, 10:46 AM
 
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There argument is that just because they are not well off financially they still have a moral and ethical right to have a large family. It takes a village to have a family and in their cases others will help. (Including you and I.)
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Old 06-24-2014, 10:49 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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There argument is that just because they are not well off financially they still have a moral and ethical right to have a large family. It takes a village to have a family and in their cases others will help. (Including you and I.)
right. it's great to be the [unwilling] village.
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Old 06-24-2014, 10:56 AM
 
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a loaded question

a lot of religious people believe they should have as many kids as God allows, and somehow God will cover them. . .by these people's religion they are being very morale by having kids. If the society chooses to support them that is basically a reflection in their God's will.

That would be a "morale" person.

a separate question is what is best for society
obviously, forced sterilization and licenses to have kids based on education, ability, and income. Some would consider that very immoral.


Assuming that you have a right to have sex and children per your own personal desire.
A society benefits by providing education and safety and forward guidance if parents don't have the income themselves. We should do our best to ensure all children are able to maximize their own usefulness in a society in order to improve the society overall - regardless of parents motivations.




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Lots of people I know have lots of children but make very little money. When I asked them why they had so many children when neither the mother or father made much money, they basically told me that money and income should not be a consideration when deciding how large your family is. They say children are a gift from God and if the children are born everyone should welcome them to the world and society will help support them. They believe that even though they are poor financially they have just as much right to bring lots of babies into the world as someone who is rich.

If you are parents would you agree that society (taxpayers) have a obligation to help bring up your children because our country needs a younger generation from all kinds of people (rich and poor)? Would your financial situation impact your decision to have a larger family? In other words, should only rich parents be able to have a very large family?

(* The other side would say that it is wrong to have babies if they know the taxpayer is going to support them)
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Old 06-24-2014, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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100% agree to not bring children in if you can't afford them. I'd also extend that out to not having children if you live in an area with limited potential.
So then what do we do, forced adoption, forced abortion or forced sterilization? And where would it end? I hate to bring the slippery slope in but at what point do we stop?
As for the original question. It's not morally wrong, it's irresponsibility. I honestly don't know where to go because we do off birth control but it seems like the poor don't use it. I could be wrong.
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Old 06-24-2014, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I think its a myth about all these poor people having children. Look at the overall birth rate in this country. Then go down to the local Walmart. It sure doesn't look like it did 8 years ago. Schools will soon be dealing with shrinking populations. There was probably more irresponsibility in the mid-50s with people having children they couldn't afford than now. Of course back then children simply went hungry or went to schools with shoes and clothes that were worn out hand me downs more than now. I am in a small town now and I can guarantee more people will die than be born in the next 10 years. Take a look at this article. By the way someone having a child they couldn't afford would be a plus in this town because of outside money coming in for schools, snap, Medicaid, etc. Not a whole lot different than the government money seniors collect.

Fertility Gap: Census Says More Deaths, Fewer Births in U.S. in 2013 - TIME
Since 2008, birth rates have slowed because many people became conscious of the costs. One of the biggest problems I see is when ever you have the larger families like my fathers. He only had 5 sibilings. Compare that to the Romneys, Octomom (is she even a thing still?) and the 21 & Counting size families and even that seems small. The point is through medical breakthroughs, death rates have dropped and life expectancy is increasing. Before you hoped for kids so that you could hedge your bet if one died after birth, now you don't have to.
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