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Old 07-12-2014, 03:27 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
You are saying two things :

1. Immigration laws are not being enforced.
2. We are spending $18 billion a year enforcing immigration laws.

Pick one and run with it, because one argument defeats the other. You can't have both.
We have spent $18 billion in the past and didn't have this problem. Even then we weren't doing what we should have been doing. Fining the businesses hiring illegals actually brings in funds.

What we are seeing is the actions of a community activist. We got what what we elected.

 
Old 07-12-2014, 03:29 PM
 
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You are saying:

1. Obama cannot be trusted to enforce the laws
2. Obama should enforce the laws
3. Obama should not be given the resources to enforce the laws

Pick one and run with it.

Your posts are all over the place.
If he had enforced the laws as opposed to ignored them or changed them to suit his whims then if there had been something new come up he could be trusted. He can't. He is totally untrustworthy. Nobody can believe a word he says.

It's been noted for years that this is where we were headed. But the defense of the lies simply continued.
 
Old 07-12-2014, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Florida
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We have spent $18 billion in the past and didn't have this problem. Even then we weren't doing what we should have been doing. Fining the businesses hiring illegals actually brings in funds.

What we are seeing is the actions of a community activist. We got what what we elected.
So, now you are claiming we did not have a problem with illegal immigration in 2012?

Is that your new argument? Shall we add it to the long line of fake arguments you have presented so far?
 
Old 07-12-2014, 03:31 PM
 
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What is your proposition? Torpedo the rafts? Strafe the wave runners? Actually once they pass the middle of the river they are in the US. Get specific. What do you think the NG does? Lets consider a female carrying a baby wadding ashore. How does the NG stop her? Bayonet?
What stopped them before Obama?

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Absurd. 30 years experience shows the resource is an order of magnitude below that required to actually contain the problem with the existing laws.

the illegals are set free because there is no capability to do anything else. Simple as that.
$18 billion, if Obama can't do it the thing to do is find someone that can.
 
Old 07-12-2014, 03:32 PM
 
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So, now you are claiming we did not have a problem with illegal immigration in 2012?
Not like this, no. You know that though.

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Is that your new argument? Shall we add it to the long line of fake arguments you have presented so far?
Facts seem to bother you.
 
Old 07-12-2014, 03:36 PM
 
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If he had enforced the laws as opposed to ignored them or changed them to suit his whims then if there had been something new come up he could be trusted. He can't. He is totally untrustworthy. Nobody can believe a word he says.

It's been noted for years that this is where we were headed. But the defense of the lies simply continued.
Actually if we had done what was rational a couple of years ago we would have had the resource to deal with this new approach. But we did not so we can't.

You are hopelessly inconsistent. If you cannot trust the feds there is no solution. Just wait for someone who you can trust to be elected...Maybe 14 years from now? And by then there should be 25 million illegals. Luckiuly at that point we have run out of the Mexican demographic and it won't get any worse.

But that is really the plan you are working. Absorb the entire Mexican segment that will come to the US. If not fixed it is only going to get worse. But you can never do that because you don't trust Obama and will likely not trust his successor.
 
Old 07-12-2014, 03:40 PM
 
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What stopped them before Obama?



$18 billion, if Obama can't do it the thing to do is find someone that can.
The problem was worse through the Bush and early Obama administration. It got better only when the economy collapsed.

18 billion is not even enough to contain the problem at the existing level. It simply slows the rate of growth a bit. Again see the last 30 years.
 
Old 07-12-2014, 03:45 PM
 
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Not like this, no. You know that though.

Facts seem to bother you.
Facts prove the problem is not new, and they also prove that pretty much everything you say contradicts other things you say.

You need to pick a line and stick with it.

Are we not enforcing the laws, or are we spending $18 billion a year enforcing them? Which is it?
 
Old 07-12-2014, 04:14 PM
 
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Actually if we had done what was rational a couple of years ago we would have had the resource to deal with this new approach. But we did not so we can't.

You are hopelessly inconsistent. If you cannot trust the feds there is no solution.
One can not discuss something with someone who refuses to discuss things honestly. Changing what I said is not discussing things honestly.

What I clearly said was that Obama can not be trusted. He didn't win lie of the year without deserving it.
 
Old 07-12-2014, 04:15 PM
 
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Facts prove the problem is not new, and they also prove that pretty much everything you say contradicts other things you say.

You need to pick a line and stick with it.

Are we not enforcing the laws, or are we spending $18 billion a year enforcing them? Which is it?
Bottom line. Obama is a habitual liar that can't be trusted with bus money let alone real money.
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