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OSS was never really scraped although on paper it was "disbanded." In reality all files and two divisions were saved and moved to CIG and within two years the NSA of 1947 changed the CIG to the CIA. As time went on four OSS agents became Directors of Central Intillegence.
You don't hear about the successes of the CIA but you definitely hear of the failures. Sometimes too much credit for the failures is given to the CIA as congress people and presidents refuse to take any responsibility for their own actions.
I don't think we hear about the successes because they hardly have any. If they did, we'd know at least some of them.
But their litany of failures is ridiculously long.
And you're right about the OSS...they countermanded Truman's order to disband within 10 days (I think it was). It was all very hush hush.
So that proves that the CIA was basically born a frickin breach baby. Lol
The bottom line is that the CIA enjoys a great deal of leeway and very little real accountability. They like Narcs tend to be dirty by job description. That said they make a lot of mistakes and not only are they well paid for their mistakes they aren't held accountable for them. 911 CIA made some huge mistakes, in fact they seem to be an international Keystone cops act.
Clinton era neutering of the CIA, the same sort of leash tightening you suggest along with Clinton's note worthy lack of action against al Qaeda dating back to 1993, helped to give us 9/11.
Oh, I SERIOUSLY doubt that. If their failures aren't all classified then I see no reasons why their successes would all be.
No it's all classified. I tried to get my dad's records from them and they wouldn't do it. They wouldn't even acknowledge if he was an agent or not. The letter we received from them was just nonsense. It basically said that maybe he was an agent or maybe he wasn't. It was BS
Clinton era neutering of the CIA, the same sort of leash tightening you suggest along with Clinton's note worthy lack of action against al Qaeda dating back to 1993, helped to give us 9/11.
It's an agency with a track record of consistent and perpetual ineptitude dating back to its establishment.
It's got nothing to do with Clinton. It's been rotten under every president starting with Truman.
Oh, I SERIOUSLY doubt that. If their failures aren't all classified then I see no reasons why their successes would all be.
The very nature of a successful CIA operation is to achieve a goal in secret. When it fails of course it's known because they usually fail by becoming public. It sounds circular in nature but it is what it is.
The ousting of Gaddafi is seen as a success by most. We didn't really find that out though until the attack in Benghazi and some of the first responders were CIA who just happen to be camped out near the attack site.
The "vaccination" program that was basically a program to collect DNA is what led to a Bin Laden's capture.
It would be easy to point to all of the failures in a vacuum but we don't have a vacuum here on Earth in those regards. We ousted lots of leaders during the Cold War. Once again it's easy to be pessimistic of that but one would have to know what would have happened otherwise.
Also, the CIA has lots of operations that itself considers successful but clandestine operations aren't really its main goal. The main purpose of the CIA is intel gathering and having people at the source to get first hand information as things go down.
The very nature of a successful CIA operation is to achieve a goal in secret. When it fails of course it's known because they usually fail by becoming public. It sounds circular in nature but it is what it is.
The ousting of Gaddafi is seen as a success by most. We didn't really find that out though until the attack in Benghazi and some of the first responders were CIA who just happen to be camped out near the attack site.
The "vaccination" program that was basically a program to collect DNA is what led to a Bin Laden's capture.
It would be easy to point to all of the failures in a vacuum but we don't have a vacuum here on Earth in those regards. We ousted lots of leaders during the Cold War. Once again it's easy to be pessimistic of that but one would have to know what would have happened otherwise.
Also, the CIA has lots of operations that itself considers successful but clandestine operations aren't really its main goal. The main purpose of the CIA is intel gathering and having people at the source to get first hand information as things go down.
Been reading some books as of late about our Intel agencies, and it's pretty clear that our main intelligence agency is about as inept as they come. One of the worst Intel agencies in the world.
To boot, they've gone far beyond what they were intended to do...gather good intelligence, filter it, and present clear and concise Intel to the executive branch.
They aren't supposed to be participating in wars, overthrowing governments, and supplying weapons to governments or insurgent groups.
This country needs and deserves a top notch intelligence service, and we don't have it
Should we keep and reform what we have, or should we scrap it the way we did the OSS and start over...with a fresh mandate?
The CIA is more trouble than it's worth...
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