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The original mandate if the CIA was to coordinate the interpretation of the intelligence gathered by the military and State Department intelligence services. It was soon perverted into clandestine operations to dispose of any governments unfriendly to the desperate investment classes here and in Britain. This is evident from the host of people we had assassinated over the decades.
We need excellent intelligence and analysis independent of political considerations. We do not need an intrusive overbearing bunch of international and domestic thugs working for our ruling plutocracy for their benefit and not ours.
If it goes back to the caveman days...literally..then there must be a science to it or some accepted methods lying around in a book or SOP somewhere.
So why does OUR agency suck so bad?
Because it's run by humans.
Hey I understand the frustration having made a living as a corporate investigator for a time. Politics and power struggles aside the outside world never sees the layers of success. This would be especially true of secret government organizations.
Everyone I believe knows my politics by know but I "know" for a fact that there are a lot of really good people doing really good work of all political stripes within those organizations. I had the pleasure of working with a few in the NCIS and FBI on several cases.
To suck less the CIA would have to be immune to the vagaries of whatever political power structure has control at any given time. That isn't going to happen ever.
But I'm talking to someone who knows all this already. Don't you.
I'm not going there. LMAO...I'll leave that to you.
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Originally Posted by Bulldogdad
Because it's run by humans.
Hey I understand the frustration having made a living as a corporate investigator for a time. Politics and power struggles aside the outside world never sees the layers of success. This would be especially true of secret government organizations.
Everyone I believe knows my politics by know but I "know" for a fact that there are a lot of really good people doing really good work of all political stripes within those organizations. I had the pleasure of working with a few in the NCIS and FBI on several cases.
To suck less the CIA would have to be immune to the vagaries of whatever political power structure has control at any given time. That isn't going to happen ever.
But I'm talking to someone who knows all this already. Don't you.
I get all that...but I'm not nearly as magnanimous as you're being
It's a rotten operation....And I'm unyielding about that assertion.
That's a flat out lie by you. That's not what I said.
I said that the INTEL GATHERING AND SUBSEQUENT INTERPRETING (aka "intelligence massaging") to get the desired results was exactly what the Bush Administration did.
It's well known that Cheney, Wolfowitz, and Feith put a hell of a lot of pressure on the CIA to get the reports interpreted the way the administration wanted them interpreted. This isn't esoteric information...It's widely acknowledged as fact.
I didn't say that the Bush Administration was responsible for agency incompetence.
Hmmm...I copied & pasted the quotes from your posts. It's not the first time I've seen a liberal accuse someone of lying about what was said when they have been directly quoted.
How about a link/quote? It should be easy if this is "widely acknowledged as fact." I posted the quote from Paul Pillar, which contradicts your portrayal. Give me a link or quote that proves Pillar to be FOS.
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