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rOTFL. Yes, I am attacking ignorance and the absurd notion of "self-sufficiency" that keeps conservative Alabama, Mississippi and Arkansas the poorest states in the nation while liberal New Jersey, New York and Connecticut have the highest per capita disposable incomes.
Many of the macroeconomic mechanisms and resulting policies are counterintuitive, they do not make sense to someone who just glanced over economics 101, yet they do work. The proof is in the numbers: not only the liberal US states beat conservative states economically but also the entire economically developed world runs on liberal economic policies of sustainable development. The key word being sustainable. High taxes are funding education, which allows for development of cutting edge technologies, that allow to remain globally competitive and economically successful. There is no other way. The other way is sustained poverty of Alabama, Mississippi or Louisiana. Take your pick.
Here is your proof in the numbers, I hope you won't cry looking at this data
Because, as all lefties do, you pretend that government is what make this work.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Traditionally, they all had strong national and ethnic identities tied to a culture of work and productivity. The welfare state has all but destroyed this culture, and even they, as stubborn and fool-headed as they are, have begun to realize this and start reducing the welfare state.
Here, people like yourself spend your entire life attacking the culture of self sufficiency, and then you whine that those who understand it all oppose your agenda of destroying that culture of work, which is the ONLY thing that could bring a nation through a government designed to encourage dependency and laziness.
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Look, the basic reason why America can never be like the Nordic countries, is that America is full of people who fundamentally don't like each other. This "diversity" makes it nearly impossible for Americans to work together for any sort of common good. The underlying nature of Americans is to try to take as much as you can get at someone else's expense.
I don't even blame them, America is not a nation of like-minded people. At best it is a union of convenience, at worst it is a union by force.
Why shouldn't we have it in the US? It would make this country much more prosperous. The Nordic Model is the best example of a mixed economy thus far. Why Americans oppose it? I have no idea.
Yup, if only we had the Muslim problems that Norway has - if only.
not sure if following the nortic model would be very smart at all
us debt to GDP ratio....currently about 100% (our national debt is equal to the gdp (ballpark figures))
norway 210% of its gdp
((((fyi on the other northern Europe countries: finland 215% of its gdp .. sweden 269% of its gdp ..denmark 308% of its gdp.....netherlands 369% of its gdp))))
The US has its own currency. Debt is not a problem, not to mention that its a user of the world's reserve currency.
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denmark and norway have high costs of living, ultra high taxes..high crime, and a poverty problem too
denmark is one of the wealthiest countries and has a high poverty rate, especially among imigrents:
17.3% of all Danish children, almost 200,000 in total, were touched by poverty .....that's higher than the USA
But here's the issue. Our impoverished have worse standards of living. They have much more generous welfare systems. And most importantly, they don't incarcerate their poor like we do.
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hmm the nortic model:
small population...... 4.9 million....smaller than NYC
WHITE RICH population (norway is the second most wealthy country in the world)
22% of their GDP is from OIL EXPORTS
very LIMITED immigration......the usa has 20 million ILLEGAL immigrants and annual legal immigration of legal of about 1.5 million
very limited fast/fried food
norway has a MANDITORY MILITARY OBLIGATION (conscript) for 2 years for males....voluntary for females
I addressed this already.
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another key factor:.....The state has large ownership positions in key industrial sectors, such as the strategic petroleum sector (Statoil and Aker Solutions), hydroelectric energy production (Statkraft), aluminium production (Norsk Hydro), the largest Norwegian bank (DnB NOR), and telecommunication provider (Telenor). The government controls approximately 40% of the stock values at the Oslo Stock Exchange. Norway is a major shipping nation and has the world's 6th largest merchant fleet, with 1,412 Norwegian-owned merchant vessels. The country is richly endowed with natural resources including petroleum, hydropower, fish, forests, and minerals. Large reserves of petroleum and natural gas were discovered in the 1960s, which led to a boom in the economy.
I don't see the problem here.
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other key factors:
1) They don't manage a world empire and the military it takes to hold it (like the USA does).
2) They don't constantly give their citizen's money away to other countries (like the USA does).
3) Their politician's don't bribe their citizen's into voting for them by promising stupid (and expensive) programs if elected (like the USA does).
4) They drill off-shore like there is no tomorrow (yet the "greens" never mention this) and they tax heavily on it.
5) Their citizen's pay 53 cents per dollar in taxes.
6) They operate on a balanced budget principle that BOTH DEMOCRATS & REPUBLICANS REFUSE TO EMPLOY!
they make their money through ....CAPITALISM
I'm with you on this.
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oh and they hhave been having a real tough time with the world wide recession too:
norway is having a lot of financial problems over the last 4 years.......even The Lillehammer factory which has produced the famous Norwegian cheese slicer is bankrupt..... the organizers of Norway's biggest summer music festival have declared bankruptcy for the second time in 3 years.......Sea Launch Company, LLC bankrupt........Absolute Poker owners are bankrupt .......in 2009 more than 140 Norwegian building companies have submitted applications for bankruptcy. It is on 30 % more, than the year before.
while norway was not hit as hard during this world recession..they did feel it
oh and, norway ... ABOLISHED their wealth tax
to sit there and compare or contrast Norway to the usa, would be like comparing apples to automobiles
Doesn't amount to US bankruptcy and evictions. I'm sure Norway doesn't throw people out of their houses daily. I'm sure they don't see layoffs as often as we do.
If you're looking at Norway as an example, you have to factor in the tremendous supplemental income the get from oil. Secondly, these countries are now starting to have problems. The reason it worked was because of the work ethic of previous generations. They're starting to have problems with people realizing that they can sit home and get their needs met.
If you're looking at Norway as an example, you have to factor in the tremendous supplemental income the get from oil. Secondly, these countries are now starting to have problems. The reason it worked was because of the work ethic of previous generations. They're starting to have problems with people realizing that they can sit home and get their needs met.
Look, the basic reason why America can never be like the Nordic countries, is that America is full of people who fundamentally don't like each other.
Wow, I don't agree with this at all!
Neither does anyone I personally know.
I work/live with many different ethnicities.
How is it possible for one to not like a person they don't even know?
But, then again, I'm in New Jersey......one of the states with a high average income....because we basically get along with each other. Not too many weak people here!
Of course they do, or at least that's what they say on Pox News. No conservative can swallow the fact that the most affluent, industrialized nations on the planet were funded on liberal ideas that go much further than the Democratic Party ever dreamt about. It destroys their view of the world where conservatives ideas guarantee wealth and safety and liberal ideas promote poverty and chaos. Lol
Poor American conservatives fed the same old bs, over and over again and voting for people implementing policies that will ultimately hurt them all, as evidenced by the example of the poorest, yet still staunchly conservative states such as Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana. Conservative paradise on earth
How is it possible for one to not like a person they don't even know?
But, then again, I'm in New Jersey......one of the states with a high average income....because we basically get along with each other. Not too many weak people here!
I do. In addition to not liking each other we don't trust each other either.
We just want a reason to shoot up, imprison, and marginalize other Americans.
One guy from Sweden said in my class the other day that there is this unwritten rule in Sweden that it's really looked down upon if you look or try to look like your above the rest of people in monetary class. It's showy and they don't like it. That does not exist here in the US, and it's probably a very big difference between the two countries.
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