Ebola in Our Midsts Part 2 (Illinois, borders, Obama, governor)
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Yes. You've made it sound like we all think like you.
I hope not. Nurses training is similar in the united states and the fact that have opinions on the politics of this case is understandable. How would you support Kaci if she were your patient?
Well, she's not anyone's patient, is she? If she got Ebola and I were working in an Ebola unit, I'd give her the best care I could. That's what we all were taught. I am not a "trained" nurse, I"m an educated one. But you leave politics at the door. Heck, if Sadaam Hussein (well he's dead now, but you get the drift) brought his kids or grandkids to our office, I and frankly all of us would treat them like everyone else.
Well, she's not anyone's patient, is she? If she got Ebola and I were working in an Ebola unit, I'd give her the best care I could. That's what we all were taught. I am not a "trained" nurse, I"m an educated one. But you leave politics at the door. Heck, if Sadaam Hussein (well he's dead now, but you get the drift) brought his kids or grandkids to our office, I and frankly all of us would treat them like everyone else.
Your attitude echoes what I know of health care workers and that was a point I made earlier. The profession, from what I've seen, is populated by people who are quite selfless. My issue with Kaci Hickox is that she seems, at least based on her behavior during this quarantine debacle, to not embody this attitude. I could very well be wrong but that's my impression. I did not get that impression from any of the nurses from Dallas including the ones that went into voluntary quarantine after caring for Duncan and the subsequent cases of Vinson and Pham.
Why is the administration opposed to quarantining civilians who have returned from west Africa while it simultaneously has directed the US military to quarantine military personnel returned to their base in Italy from Liberia?
The administration is not opposed to quarantine. Monitoring temperatures is a form of quarantine, and every health care worker who is in contact with an Ebola patient is asked to do it until 21 days after the last contact.
The military just has the option of stashing all the returning troops in one place and monitoring them there.
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Originally Posted by Ponderosa
For you too, she wore equipment that has a very high probability of preventing exposure. We don't know if she was exposed or not. It doesn't seem likely. Think this stuff through. Exposure to a disease means you actually were exposed, not in the room with a protective suit on. By your weird logic, all people who worked with the 8 US patients should now be locked up somewhere because the were "exposed".
No, everyone who works with someone who has had Ebola is considered at risk to have possibly been exposed. That is why they are monitored. It does not have to be a known exposure. Those people (say with a needle stick exposure) are at higher risk and watched even more closely.
Quarantine does not mean locking someone up. There are different steps in quarantine leading up to isolation of infected, symptomatic people.
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Originally Posted by Goinback2011
CDC came out the other day and admitted snot is a danger.
Snot from someone with no symptoms is not a danger. Snot from someone with fever, vomiting , and diarrhea might be a danger if you get it in your eyes or mouth or non-intact skin. You have to be close for that to happen, and if someone is sick enough for snot to matter, you are in far greater danger from their vomit and diarrhea if you are close enough for the snot to land on you.
No one "admitted" anything. It's been known from before this outbreak that droplets of infected secretions are hazardous. CDC is just having a hard time putting the information in terms that some people can understand.
The suit is no guarantee, just a very good chance.
and self monitoring compounds that good chance, and the fact that ebola is not very contagious, if at all, in the early stages compounds it again. Finally, we get to the point that the risk is so low that it is simply not advisable to quarantine people like Hickox. That is what the experts are telling us. I heard that already the quarantine and treatment of returning volunteers is having a chilling effect on Doctors without Borders recruitments for Ebola areas. If we can't stop ebola there, we can't stop it. We need to balance risk and reward here.
Why is the administration opposed to quarantining civilians who have returned from west Africa while it simultaneously has directed the US military to quarantine military personnel returned to their base in Italy from Liberia?
and self monitoring compounds that good chance, and the fact that ebola is not very contagious, if at all, in the early stages compounds it again. Finally, we get to the point that the risk is so low that it is simply not advisable to quarantine people like Hickox. That is what the experts are telling us. I heard that already the quarantine and treatment of returning volunteers is having a chilling effect on Doctors with Borders recruitments for Ebola areas. If we can't stop ebola there, we can't stop it. We need to balance risk and reward here.
Hmm, wonder how the mandatory quarantine required for Samaritan's Purse volunteers is impacting their ability to get volunteers? I think there is quite a bit of hyperbole being thrown around (both for and against) on this Hickox matter. She's neither being imprisoned in Siberia nor out there spitting on people. Although, according to a few on here, they sure act like it.
I still contend that Maine's proposal that she agree to stay away from public transport and crowded areas was more than fair but Hickox has decided to make a point, come hell or high water.
Oh, the military? That is completely different. We can pimp those people around all we want.
Oh snap.
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Think this stuff through. Exposure to a disease means you actually were exposed, not in the room with a protective suit on. By your weird logic, all people who worked with the 8 US patients should now be locked up somewhere because the were "exposed".
