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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
You haven't read the following of the Iraq Liberation Act?
Section 4(a)(2): The President is authorized to direct the drawdown of defense articles from the stocks of the Department of Defense, defense services of the Department of Defense, and military education and training for such organizations.
If you don't like the outcome, why not hold the president who signed it into law (Clinton) accountable?
WHY would I hold anyone authorized to take a specific action responsible for not taking it unless that inaction resulted in harm to the US? Which Clinton's not invading Iraq most certainly did not. You do understand that authorization to take a specific action is not a mandate to do so, right?
WHY are you seemingly incapable of understanding the 9/11 attacks should have changed this nation's priorities of what/who was considered an imminent threat to the US?
The one thing I've learned from this thread is that if Hillary runs/wins I'm increasing my stake in sour grapes futures, by a large amount. They're the gift that keeps on giving.
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
And a bi-partisan Congress approved more than that, based on Clinton-era intel. Think about that.
May as well think about Reagan and Grenada or the Kardashians , they're relevant as Clinton is to invading/occupying Iraq after 9/11. You know, the actual topic of this thread?
Will the left now apologize to Bush...I doubt it...I'm curious how long did the NYT sit on this story..
How long did Bush the Torturer sit on it?
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Originally Posted by rosie_hair
Um... did you guys read that article?
Good job, but few understand what they read.
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Originally Posted by chucksnee
Ummmm...yes, care to clarify what you are talking about?
This...
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Instead, American troops gradually found and ultimately suffered from the remnants of long-abandoned programs, built in close collaboration with the West.
Do you understand that is the KEY?
Those are US chemical weapons.
For the stupid and those who don't speak English, those are American chemical weapons.
That's one of the things that your government that you people keep electing has been trying to hide for so long.
The fact that those chemical weapons are in Iraq does not alter the fact that those are US chemical weapons.
The fact that US nuclear weapons were in Cakmakli (Turkey) doesn't alter the fact that those were US nuclear weapons.
Wouldn't exactly look good if it got around that the US violated numerous treaties selling or transferring chemical weapons to other foreign States, or selling or transferring the precursors to foreign States, now would it?
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
If it was a lie (it wasn't), Bush just reiterated Clinton's statements on Iraq's WMDs:
If it was a lie, Clinton lied about it first.
Actually it was Bush the Elder who lied first.
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Originally Posted by Kibby
The New York Times was very careful to insert the sentence about WMD in Iraq -- they are consistent on Bush and the Iraq War ..... ignoring once again that Congress voted for this War, based on the same intel that Bush had.
And that intel came from the Bureaucracy...the very same Bureaucracy that would have been in place if Gore had been elected.
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Originally Posted by Kibby
That's not what this article is really about .... and it's certainly worth a careful read. This article is all about Government LIES. They LIED about finding the Chemical Weapons. They didn't warn the soldiers about what they were doing. They didn't warn the Medical people about what the soldiers were finding. They kept it all Secret.
Over 5,000 Chemical bombs were found, many soldiers were seriously injured and they never received good medical care. They still aren't receiving good Medical care through our corrupted VA System .... that they are also LIEING about. All of this happened during the Bush years and has continued during the Obama years.
They LIE - They COVER-UP, and people suffer.
No kidding.....
"VA adherence to the DOD 'no exposures' doctrine, often in the face of compelling clinical evidence to the contrary, could be viewed as Department-wide medical malpractice. -- Honorable Jesse Brown, Secretary of Veteran Affairs
[underlined emphasis mine]
The "no exposures" doctrine...the United States Government, via the Department of Defense told the Veteran's Administration that even if you encounter veterans who display clear and convincing medical evidence of exposure to chemical weapons -- including nerve agents --- you will pretend you never saw the evidence and will not report it.
From Day 1 Schwarzcrap lied to us; lied to the American people; lied to Congress....he was nothing but a liar.
The original action in Iraq was all founded on lies.
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Originally Posted by Velvet Jones
I guess the words "expired or degraded weapons" don't mean much to you. This was already known and Rick Santorum tried to use it as a campaign play years ago. I'm sure they also had some ammonia and bleach hiding in their kitchens as well. That surely justified the invasion.
They're WTTD - Weapons of Two or Three Dead.
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Originally Posted by burdell
Obsessed with Clinton much?
HINT: He DID NOT order the full scale invasion/occupation of Iraq and the reasons given for it in question here.
He DID bomb Yugoslavia so you could steal its resources.....
Kosovo's PTK privatization: with a little help from old friends
The company of former US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright “Albright Capital Management LLC” has been shortlisted for the privatisation of PTK, Kosovo’s state-owned postal and telecom company.
The Envidity Company owned by General Clark has filed its request to the government of the self-proclaimed republic for permission to extract coal from the deposits in the western part of Kosovo, the Serbian news service B-92 reported on June 26.
And he DID illegally buy weapons from Iran to give to al-Qaida.
From about 1994 to 1999, the Clinton Administration was in contact with al-Qaida, and specifically with al-Zawahiri, smuggling weapons illegally purchased from Iran into Bosnia and Kosovo.
Clinton also illegally conducted special operations in Central Asia to overthrow those government, which is what allowed the UNOCAL Conglomerate to acquire 75% of the royalty rights to natural resources in the region....
....which is why you are still in Afghanistan.
So, we can say that Bill Clinton was too busy banging Lewinksy and violating the US Constitution and violating the sovereignty of foreign States and conducting illegal wars and overthrowing governments and bombing Serbs to invade Iraq.
Which part of " procure nuclear material for the purpose of creating weapons of mass destruction. " do you not understand?
Yes. In this context at that time weapons of mass destruction implied (and meant) nuclear.
no it meant ALSO nuclear...it has always been nuclear, biological and chemical
ask nancy Pelosi
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"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California)
Statement on US Led Military Strike Against Iraq
December 16, 1999
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"Saddam Hussein certainly has chemical and biological weapons. There's no question about that."
Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California)
During an interview on "Meet The Press"
November 17, 2002
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"I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. ... Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons."
Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California)
Addressing the US House of Representatives
October 10, 2002
Congressional Record, p. H7777
For the stupid and those who don't speak English, those are American chemical weapons.
That's one of the things that your government that you people keep electing has been trying to hide for so long.
The fact that those chemical weapons are in Iraq does not alter the fact that those are US chemical weapons.
The fact that US nuclear weapons were in Cakmakli (Turkey) doesn't alter the fact that those were US nuclear weapons.
Wouldn't exactly look good if it got around that the US violated numerous treaties selling or transferring chemical weapons to other foreign States, or selling or transferring the precursors to foreign States, now would it?
Actually it was Bush the Elder who lied first.
And that intel came from the Bureaucracy...the very same Bureaucracy that would have been in place if Gore had been elected.
No kidding.....
"VA adherence to the DOD 'no exposures' doctrine, often in the face of compelling clinical evidence to the contrary, could be viewed as Department-wide medical malpractice. -- Honorable Jesse Brown, Secretary of Veteran Affairs
[underlined emphasis mine]
The "no exposures" doctrine...the United States Government, via the Department of Defense told the Veteran's Administration that even if you encounter veterans who display clear and convincing medical evidence of exposure to chemical weapons -- including nerve agents --- you will pretend you never saw the evidence and will not report it.
From Day 1 Schwarzcrap lied to us; lied to the American people; lied to Congress....he was nothing but a liar.
The original action in Iraq was all founded on lies.
They're WTTD - Weapons of Two or Three Dead.
He DID bomb Yugoslavia so you could steal its resources.....
The company of former US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright “Albright Capital Management LLC” has been shortlisted for the privatisation of PTK, Kosovo’s state-owned postal and telecom company.
The Envidity Company owned by General Clark has filed its request to the government of the self-proclaimed republic for permission to extract coal from the deposits in the western part of Kosovo, the Serbian news service B-92 reported on June 26.
And he DID illegally buy weapons from Iran to give to al-Qaida.
From about 1994 to 1999, the Clinton Administration was in contact with al-Qaida, and specifically with al-Zawahiri, smuggling weapons illegally purchased from Iran into Bosnia and Kosovo.
Clinton also illegally conducted special operations in Central Asia to overthrow those government, which is what allowed the UNOCAL Conglomerate to acquire 75% of the royalty rights to natural resources in the region....
....which is why you are still in Afghanistan.
So, we can say that Bill Clinton was too busy banging Lewinksy and violating the US Constitution and violating the sovereignty of foreign States and conducting illegal wars and overthrowing governments and bombing Serbs to invade Iraq.
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Originally Posted by Mircea
So, we can say that Bill Clinton was too busy banging Lewinksy and violating the US Constitution and violating the sovereignty of foreign States and conducting illegal wars and overthrowing governments and bombing Serbs to invade Iraq.
Un-Appologetically....
Mircea
Nice job of conveniently ignoring the fact there was no good reason to.
The point is Saddam represented no imminent threat to the US on September 12, 2001 and making his ouster a priority was a waste of assets that would have been better used seeking/eliminating our attackers. What reason is there to believe regime change in Iraq should have been a priority post 9/11? Cheney told us time after time Iraq had NOTHING to do with the 9/11 attacks. Should finding/eliminating our attackers NOT have been our primary focus at the time?
Lets go back to pre 911. Afghanistan had offered no imminent threat to the US until we discovered Al queda was using the country for training basis for 911. We came to the conclusion we needed to remove those training grounds as they were a threat to the country. So the Bush doctrine cam into effect which was to eliminate threats to the country by attacking terrorists before they could attack us. The Bush Doctrine. Sadam was harboring and helping various terrorists groups and even Clinton realized the threat to countries who harbored terrorist. Because Sadam had ignored UN demands for may years , because the UN and our congress approved of the action we attacked Iraq . Bush said we would not distinguish terrorist from countries that harbor them. The world and even enough of the democrats agreed there was enough of a threat after ignoring the UN to take action.
Bush left office with an elected Iraq stable government and Biden stated Iraq being stable was Obamas great achievements. If Iraq being stable was a great Achievement of Obama how is it falling apart is now Bushes fault.
Now we have ISIS and want to return to the days pre 911 and think those ISIS training camps will not bring an attack on America so lets throw a few bombs their way to show the world we care. The problem will happen when ISIS attacks America on our soil . of course with Obama he will write it off as work place violence.
Attack the terrorist where they live? or wait for them to attack us then attack them where they live?
Either way we will need to deal with them.
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, they're relevant as Clinton is to invading/occupying Iraq after 9/11. You know, the actual topic of this thread?
