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Old 12-17-2014, 07:29 AM
 
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So, not all blacks are criminals because some are but all whites are racists because some are?
I talked about the "white collective"....not individual whites. Having the best basketball team in the league does not therefore infer that every player on that team are among the best players in the league. Similarly, having the worst team in the league does not mean that every individual player is the worst in the league.

You are being confused by the fallacy of composition. What is true of the whole is not necessarily true of the parts and what is true of some parts cannot be assumed true for the whole. Neither claim have I made....so what the hell are you talking about?
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Old 12-17-2014, 07:33 AM
 
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Based on their representative percentages in the population of people involved in violent crime, whites are targeted for police killing at a disproportionately high rate.

The reason 999 people out of 1,000 don't know that is because there's no white version of Al Sharpton.

There is an "Al Sharpton" because there was a plantation owner with the surname of SHARPTON who owned the antecedents of "Al Sharpton" as slaves. There was a white Sharpton.....the slave owner....but I do not know if his name was Al. Thank that slave owner Sharpton and the system and society that supported slavery, Jim Crow and rampant anti-black discrimination for the existence of one....Al Sharpton. Funny how that EVOLVED....huh? The white version of Al sharpton would be named Oladia Alowanhe and would be living in Nigeria as the descendents of whites enslaved by the black majority with the inherited surname of his antecedents former black masters. However, since whites were never enslaved at the hands of blacks, for centuries in these lands, there is no "white version" of Al Sharpton.
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Old 12-17-2014, 07:37 AM
 
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I talked about the "white collective"....not individual whites. Having the best basketball team in the league does not therefore infer that every player on that team are among the best players in the league. Similarly, having the worst team in the league does not mean that every individual player is the worst in the league.

You are being confused by the fallacy of composition. What is true of the whole is not necessarily true of the parts and what is true of some parts cannot be assumed true for the whole. Neither claim have I made....so what the hell are you talking about?
There is no "collective", only people.
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Old 12-17-2014, 07:39 AM
 
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There is an "Al Sharpton" because there was a plantation owner with the surname of SHARPTON who owned the antecedents of "Al Sharpton" as slaves. There was a white Sharpton.....the slave owner....but I do not know if his name was Al. Thank that slave owner Sharpton and the system and society that supported slavery, Jim Crow and rampant anti-black discrimination for the existence of one....Al Sharpton. Funny how that EVOLVED....huh?
Deflection having nothing to do with my point.

There are 2x as many whites as there are blacks killed by cops each year, yet whites represent ~46% of the violent criminal interactions with cops, according to FBI and BJS stats. That means where getting killed by cops is concerned, it's whites being hunted disproportionately.

Whites do not have a well known activist who incites riots and mobs for a living to draw attention to this statistical reality. Blacks on the other hand, have a well known activist who incites riots and mobs for a living, and his name is Al Sharpton.
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Old 12-17-2014, 07:40 AM
 
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There is no "collective", only people.

If that is true then there is no United States
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Old 12-17-2014, 07:42 AM
 
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Deflection having nothing to do with my point.

There are 2x as many whites as there are blacks killed by cops each year, yet whites represent ~46% of the violent criminal interactions with cops, according to FBI and BJS stats. That means where getting killed by cops is concerned, it's whites being hunted disproportionately.

Whites do not have a well known activist who incites riots and mobs for a living to draw attention to this statistical reality. Blacks on the other hand, have a well known activist who incites riots and mobs for a living, and his name is Al Sharpton.
Blacks are NOT reacting based upon how many whites are killed by the cops relative to blacks. Blacks are reacting because such acts have historically been part and parcel to the oppression of black people. In other words, there is a long history of white police, and others, killing blacks and getting away with it in the courts.
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Old 12-17-2014, 07:46 AM
 
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If that is true then there is no United States
So the "black collective" is more prone to crime and its understandable to target them all for different treatment?
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Old 12-17-2014, 07:47 AM
 
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Blacks are NOT reacting based upon how many whites are killed by the cops relative to blacks. Blacks are reacting because such acts have historically been part and parcel to the oppression of black people. In other words, there is a long history of white police, and others, killing blacks and getting away with it in the courts.

As the OP notes, there is a long history of policemen unjustly killing many different people and getting away with it.
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Old 12-17-2014, 07:49 AM
 
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Make a point. Do not speak in riddles. I believe that nature evolved EVERY condition in the present...from the past and I believe that without exception.
I asked you a simple question. Interesting that you saw it as a riddle.
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Old 12-17-2014, 07:56 AM
 
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None of them should cause 6 men to jump him and then stand around while he dies on the sidewalk.
They didn't cause them to jump him. His refusal on the spot is what required force. As for the dying on the sidewalk, I'll admit I don't have all the facts on that so I'm not going to address that point.

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Let's also take the examples the OP presents in the first post. Do you not think the previous actions of the justice system to sweep their wrongs under the carpet might not have some consequences on the people?
First, I think the OP was overstated. Secondly, yes, I think police misbehavior has an effect on the people. NYC has had some bad cases in their history. To your point in response to the OP, I agree that the collective does not represent the whole. Finally, though there have been problems with police at times, I think people should understand that not all cases are the same and address the facts before making assumptions and reacting. I also think, assuming for a moment that this was police misbehavior, that this should not be made out to be a national epidemic of police targeting black men to kill because that's far too broad a brush and simply isn't supported by the facts.
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